Beyer pens post script after sit-down with Wolfson

[CSC]

Regardless of the sport, no one is out from under the umbrella of suspicion of being clean these days if they are very successful in their sports. It's just the reality of sports today. Frankly I am more surprised no one even raised a doubt to whether wholesome good boy...Michael Phelps was indeed clean when he was winning all those gold medals in swimming. Ironically even if you were, many might question if you were, It's only natural to do so now.

[slotdirt]

I believe Einstein actually ended up running on pretty well in the 2007 Dixie, but couldn't chase down a loose Remarkable News.

[slotdirt]

It was Cosmonaut, not Einstein, who couldn't chase down Remarkable News. How could I have doubted DrugSy?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I believe Einstein actually ended up running on pretty well in the 2007 Dixie, but couldn't chase down a loose Remarkable News.

Einstein was also the 5/2 favorite in the race where he lost the jock.

I like how he tried to bring up Onion beating Secretariat ... a race that happened way before he was even old enough to pose for Playgirl.

That race was long before I was born ... but ... the time of that race didn't seem so impressive ... and Rule By Reason finished 3rd beaten just 1 length. The same Rule by Reason that made 91 career starts and never won a single stake race.

Also ... wasn't Riva Ridge beaten by some 50/1 Witchita Oil horse on the turf that very same week? It feels like "Big Red" probably just didn't fire that day.... but like I said ... that was long before my time.

[the_fat_man]

I think cheating (whether actual or imagined) is part of every 'game'. 'Players' are looking for whatever edge they can get. I find it interesting, however, that the 'voices' in racing are primarily concerned with cheaters rather than, I would imagine, issues of lesser importance.

I mean, check out the way MLB did it: they, at least, made sure that their DATA was accurate, or that their games were easily available, seemingly lesser and thus 'correctable' issues, before turning to the problem of the cheaters.

WTF are we always focusing on what Wolfson, Dutrow, and the others, are doing rather than what EQUIBASE, with flawed data, or Gulfstream Park (with no video feed and the inability to accurately time their races) are up to?

I can handle a cheater or two in my handicapping. I certainly have more difficulty dealing with data full of errors, that ridiculous tax (30%+) on exotics, and other such issues.

Stop the cheating and you still have these issues. Doesn't Beyer want more accurate data and the racing industry to catch up with the times?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by CSC

Regardless of the sport, no one is out from under the umbrella of suspicion of being clean these days if they are very successful in their sports. It's just the reality of sports today. Frankly I am more surprised no one even raised a doubt to whether wholesome good boy...Michael Phelps was indeed clean when he was winning all those gold medals in swimming. Ironically even if you were, many might question if you were, It's only natural to do so now.

The Olympics have the best testing out there and in addition they freeze samples that they can test down the line. So if Phelps was on something we'll find out down the line. That makes me a lot more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him. Horse racing has taken the first step towards doing this and it would be fantastic if it could be put in place universally so that anyone who is using something undetectable now can be caught if a test is found for it later.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Olympics have the best testing out there and in addition they freeze samples that they can test down the line. So if Phelps was on something we'll find out down the line. That makes me a lot more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him. Horse racing has taken the first step towards doing this and it would be fantastic if it could be put in place universally so that anyone who is using something undetectable now can be caught if a test is found for it later.

I have very little confidence in anything the Olympics does when it comes to testing, even if they do not find something, the cheaters can always be one step ahead. The point I guess I am trying to make is no one is out from under the umbrella of suspicion, Which really isn't fair to the select few clean atheletes.

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

are you sure they have the same trainer? Tiger's trainer is Keith Kleven, I couldn't find any links that suggested A-Rod has used him.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

or other things.