Don't think this is what WE had in mind...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think the rush was necessary, the ultimate plan though was terrible. And this coming from someone that is a huge Obama supporter. Who knows, maybe ultimately I need to suck up my pride and realize that for the greater good of our economy we have to bail these douchebags out just like we did on Wall Street cause we as Americans are better off preventing these foreclosures. It doesn't mean I'm not going to be pissed about it for a while. And it's not like it sends a terrible message, that you can fuc< up as much as you want and put the country in a recession but don't worry, those of us that didn't fuc< up will be there to bail you out. That is so different than what liberalism should stand for.

However that IS what Liberalism HAS stood for in this country for a long time. I respect your decision to be a liberal but I cant help but think that so many of you are not seeing the reality of what Liberal "leaders" are doing.

The idea that there is a class of downtrodden people in this country that simply dont get opportunites is misguided. Naturally some people have longer and tougher roads but that is the randomness of life as opposed to some conspiracy to keep them down. The problem that I and most conservatives have with the social programs is not that they exist but the vast majority of them do not work properly and the message that you so strongly denounce above is the message that resonates within them. Anyone who wants to scrap or change a social program is automatically called racist or elitest because Democrats use these programs as giant voting recruitment opportunities. You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

[Danzig]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=6917758

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

However that IS what Liberalism HAS stood for in this country for a long time. I respect your decision to be a liberal but I cant help but think that so many of you are not seeing the reality of what Liberal "leaders" are doing.

The idea that there is a class of downtrodden people in this country that simply dont get opportunites is misguided. Naturally some people have longer and tougher roads but that is the randomness of life as opposed to some conspiracy to keep them down. The problem that I and most conservatives have with the social programs is not that they exist but the vast majority of them do not work properly and the message that you so strongly denounce above is the message that resonates within them. Anyone who wants to scrap or change a social program is automatically called racist or elitest because Democrats use these programs as giant voting recruitment opportunities. You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

Y u be hatin'?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Y u be hatin'?

Hardly....just stating the obvious vitrol in your post!

There needs to be a balance.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

Oh come on..Obama and Clinton are open season but the last 8 years and their leader...are off limits?? That's crazy Chuck

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Oh come on..Obama and Clinton are open season but the last 8 years and their leader...are off limits?? That's crazy Chuck

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

[Danzig]

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

It appears that the pressure will be brought to bear on the TV stations(by right of ownership)...The ole bait and switch.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

As it is currently called. Wait and see when it is reintroduced later and called something else.

He is also against the other insane "truth" crap about investigating Bush being talked about by the far left. No doubt he doesnt want that used against him when he is out of office as opposed to any great love for George, Dick and the gang.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

Contrary to popular belief....I'm not happy with the Republicans either!
...but you're right...Liberals are spawns of the Devil!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

Hell even the opinion pieces in liberal leaning papers and mags do a whole lot more complaining about Bush than they do about the economic reality. They also are almost universally koolaid drinkers who feel that anyone who doesnt agree with the stimlus is just trying to 'sabotage' the economy as oppose to lookng at the issues that are raised.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

Give him some time. He hasn't had enough time in office to phuck it up, but I'm sure he will. We elected a man into office that really had no leadership experience whatsoever ... IMO that will be his biggest downfall and that inexperience will rear its ugly head at some point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

I think that this post about sums up what I am talking about. We arent talking about Limbaugh or Olberman, we are talking about what gets posted here.

The right has hardly spewed negativity towards Obama directly. Despite your claims, the right has been so concerned with the 'stimlus' and now the housing farce that the Obama administration has almost gotten a pass for poor job it has done in vetting its appointments. Your second paragraph absolutely sums up why liberals are sticking their heads in the sand on the issues. The absolute hatred of Bush overcomes all reasonable thinking.

The issues at hand are not being debated, just Bush, Bush, Bush. And that is simply tedious. If you cant debate the issues, blame Bush. If you can debate the issues and use things that Bush did wrong then more power to you.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

Yesterday Rush told his audience that the richest 1% of Americans, "should be treated like royalty," because they pay all of the taxes. Now, Limbaugh says some pretty strange things....but that one really shocked me (and yes, I do listen to him a couple of times a week). Later in the same segment, he repeated his statement with even more emphasis: "THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ROYALTY!!"

Now, that seems like a really strange strategy to employ when attempting to rally the troops behind conservative economic principles, but I guess when they are completely out of ideas, and all of their old ones have been proven ineffective, direct appeals to embracing aristocracy might be all they have left.