Don't think this is what WE had in mind...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

...that's why the whole freaking rush to pass this monstrosity was brainless
to start with....

I think the rush was necessary, the ultimate plan though was terrible. And this coming from someone that is a huge Obama supporter. Who knows, maybe ultimately I need to suck up my pride and realize that for the greater good of our economy we have to bail these douchebags out just like we did on Wall Street cause we as Americans are better off preventing these foreclosures. It doesn't mean I'm not going to be pissed about it for a while. And it's not like it sends a terrible message, that you can fuc< up as much as you want and put the country in a recession but don't worry, those of us that didn't fuc< up will be there to bail you out. That is so different than what liberalism should stand for.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think the rush was necessary, the ultimate plan though was terrible. And this coming from someone that is a huge Obama supporter. Who knows, maybe ultimately I need to suck up my pride and realize that for the greater good of our economy we have to bail these douchebags out just like we did on Wall Street cause we as Americans are better off preventing these foreclosures. It doesn't mean I'm not going to be pissed about it for a while. And it's not like it sends a terrible message, that you can fuc< up as much as you want and put the country in a recession but don't worry, those of us that didn't fuc< up will be there to bail you out. That is so different than what liberalism should stand for.

The rush to sign this bill compounds everything this country is facing for the next few decades....they shoulda waited....

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The rush to sign this bill compounds everything this country is facing for the next few decades....they shoulda waited....

I don't buy that, if we are going to pump money into the economy we need to do it fast. Waiting helps nothing (except the Republicans who want the recession to last until 2012). But getting it done fast doesn't mean it needs to be done wrong. I think the stimulus package got it right for 98% of it. I think this got it completely wrong.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't buy that, if we are going to pump money into the economy we need to do it fast. Waiting helps nothing (except the Republicans who want the recession to last until 2012). But getting it done fast doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done wrong. I think the stimulus package got it right for 98% of it. I think this got it completely wrong.

As the saying goes...."that's what makes horseraces"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't buy that, if we are going to pump money into the economy we need to do it fast. Waiting helps nothing (except the Republicans who want the recession to last until 2012). But getting it done fast doesn't mean it needs to be done wrong. I think the stimulus package got it right for 98% of it. I think this got it completely wrong.

We are talking about spending $275 billion on this housing program. There is probably very little chance it will work. I think you need to adjust your 98% downward. The funny thing is that the "stimlus" actually doesn't pump much money into the economy short term.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We are talking about spending $275 billion on this housing program. There is probably very little chance it will work. I think you need to adjust your 98% downward. The funny thing is that the "stimlus" actually doesn't pump much money into the economy short term.

wasn't about 65% of the 'stimulus' actually just more spending? that's another side effect from rushing, everyone throws in stuff they want, hoping it sails thru with what is supposedly needed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wasn't about 65% of the 'stimulus' actually just more spending? that's another side effect from rushing, everyone throws in stuff they want, hoping it sails thru with what is supposedly needed.

85% depending on the source. It is a side effect of Washington more than anything. Funny how the "crisis" has gotten so much worse when trying to pass the giant spending bill yet there is very little evidence to suggest that things are worse than they were and even less evidence that this 'package' will do anything but deepen our debt at a time when the countries that usually buy that debt via treasuries wont or cant.

I think what is scary is that now we see the word 'billions' tossed about so loosely.

[gales0678]

why not a "tax holiday" for every american

why do the people who bought houses that they could afford or the people who continued to rent because they knew thay couldn't afford a house bailout people who bought more house than they could afford?

we need housing prices to drop more now in all parts of the country, the quicker we get to the bottom the quicker the recovery will be, we can't put a band aid solution on all the foreclsoures , let the mkt for house prices fall to their natural levels

[gales0678]

why not a "tax holiday" for every american

why do the people who bought houses that they could afford or the people who continued to rent because they knew thay couldn't afford a house bailout people who bought more house than they could afford?

we need housing prices to drop more now in all parts of the country, the quicker we get to the bottom the quicker the recovery will be, we can't put a band aid solution on all the foreclsoures , let the mkt for house prices fall to their natural levels

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

85% depending on the source. It is a side effect of Washington more than anything. Funny how the "crisis" has gotten so much worse when trying to pass the giant spending bill yet there is very little evidence to suggest that things are worse than they were and even less evidence that this 'package' will do anything but deepen our debt at a time when the countries that usually buy that debt via treasuries wont or cant.

I think what is scary is that now we see the word 'billions' tossed about so loosely.

like i said the other day, come out to the media and scream the sky is falling early and often...get everyone hysterical, and pass your bill without a whimper of protest. it's very effective.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wasn't about 65% of the 'stimulus' actually just more spending? that's another side effect from rushing, everyone throws in stuff they want, hoping it sails thru with what is supposedly needed.

FINALLY....a light goes on at DT!............but it took a month!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think the rush was necessary, the ultimate plan though was terrible. And this coming from someone that is a huge Obama supporter. Who knows, maybe ultimately I need to suck up my pride and realize that for the greater good of our economy we have to bail these douchebags out just like we did on Wall Street cause we as Americans are better off preventing these foreclosures. It doesn't mean I'm not going to be pissed about it for a while. And it's not like it sends a terrible message, that you can fuc< up as much as you want and put the country in a recession but don't worry, those of us that didn't fuc< up will be there to bail you out. That is so different than what liberalism should stand for.

However that IS what Liberalism HAS stood for in this country for a long time. I respect your decision to be a liberal but I cant help but think that so many of you are not seeing the reality of what Liberal "leaders" are doing.

The idea that there is a class of downtrodden people in this country that simply dont get opportunites is misguided. Naturally some people have longer and tougher roads but that is the randomness of life as opposed to some conspiracy to keep them down. The problem that I and most conservatives have with the social programs is not that they exist but the vast majority of them do not work properly and the message that you so strongly denounce above is the message that resonates within them. Anyone who wants to scrap or change a social program is automatically called racist or elitest because Democrats use these programs as giant voting recruitment opportunities. You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

[Danzig]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=6917758

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

However that IS what Liberalism HAS stood for in this country for a long time. I respect your decision to be a liberal but I cant help but think that so many of you are not seeing the reality of what Liberal "leaders" are doing.

The idea that there is a class of downtrodden people in this country that simply dont get opportunites is misguided. Naturally some people have longer and tougher roads but that is the randomness of life as opposed to some conspiracy to keep them down. The problem that I and most conservatives have with the social programs is not that they exist but the vast majority of them do not work properly and the message that you so strongly denounce above is the message that resonates within them. Anyone who wants to scrap or change a social program is automatically called racist or elitest because Democrats use these programs as giant voting recruitment opportunities. You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

Y u be hatin'?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Y u be hatin'?

Hardly....just stating the obvious vitrol in your post!

There needs to be a balance.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

Oh come on..Obama and Clinton are open season but the last 8 years and their leader...are off limits?? That's crazy Chuck