introducing Storm Cat's true heir apparent

[freddymo]

Dude you really are a special individual...Why any stallion resides in NY is beyond me. All you have to do is have them drop in NY and they are NY Breds so what is the point of these ridiculous no talent stallions standing in obsure NY State?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dude you really are a special individual...Why any stallion resides in NY is beyond me. All you have to do is have them drop in NY and they are NY Breds so what is the point of these ridiculous no talent stallions standing in obsure NY State?

From the stallion owner's perpective, the stallion award portion of the NY Breeding Fund is pretty generous; the stallion owner gets a percentage of all progeny earnings in NY. In some cases, it's better to get the mares here in NY and then get the stallion awards when the offspring run than be lost in the shuffle in a place like KY.

From the breeders' perspective, the incentives to breed to a NY stallion are far less. Certainly, if you want to get a yearling in the summer sales at Saratoga, you almost have to have a NY-bred by a KY-sire (unless your last name is Thomas or McMahon).

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

From the stallion owner's perpective, the stallion award portion of the NY Breeding Fund is pretty generous; the stallion owner gets a percentage of all progeny earnings in NY. In some cases, it's better to get the mares here in NY and then get the stallion awards when the offspring run than be lost in the shuffle in a place like KY.

From the breeders' perspective, the incentives to breed to a NY stallion are far less. Certainly, if you want to get a yearling in the summer sales at Saratoga, you almost have to have a NY-bred by a KY-sire (unless your last name is Thomas or McMahon).

Do away with stallion awards...Put that money back into the purses for owners.. Turn the stupid stallion farms with crappy stallions back into corn fields like they belong.. Fn waste of time standing 1250 dollar slow ass stallions that produce slow ass horses that are as common as a Hunts point hooker

[Scav]

Is the NY program conceived and foaled or just foaled?

Illinois has two different programs, conceived and foaled and just foaled and Owners and Breeders awards are different based on those two instances.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Scav

Is the NY program conceived and foaled or just foaled?

Illinois has two different programs, conceived and foaled and just foaled and Owners and Breeders awards are different based on those two instances.

The NY program is NY-foaled. However, certain program awards differ depending on whether the stallion is based in NY or not. For example, with open company owner awards, the owner gets 20% of the horse's share of the purse if the stallion stands in NY, as opposed to 10% if the stallion does not stand in NY.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Is the NY program conceived and foaled or just foaled?

Illinois has two different programs, conceived and foaled and just foaled and Owners and Breeders awards are different based on those two instances.

Hear is an idea my 3 year old NY Bred gelding that DrugS con'd me into buying vs. your Illnois bred.. will do a home and home at Hawthorne and Finger Lakes...winner gets a bag of carrots

[sumitas]

I think it's time to eliminate "NY bred" awards for the out of state stallions . Don't you think a NY bred should be a foal conceived and foaled in NY ?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/NOW/Breedi...ion=New%20York

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I think it's time to eliminate "NY bred" awards for the out of state stallions . Don't you think a NY bred should be a foal conceived and foaled in NY ?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/NOW/Breedi...ion=New%20York

No. Eliminating the breed-back rule about 10 years ago is the reason that we've seen NY-breds like Funny Cide, Commentator, and Carson Hollow in recent years, and the list goes on and on. We don't need a return to the way things were in the 1980s.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

No. Eliminating the breed-back rule about 10 years ago is the reason that we've seen NY-breds like Funny Cide, Commentator, and Carson Hollow in recent years, and the list goes on and on. We don't need a return to the way things were in the 1980s.

Exactly. I think the program is one of the best in the country. No need to try to screw it up.