The Fierce Urgency of Pork

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Jim ...the Republicans were hopping on the first stimulus package as dire also.
Most of the reading I have done claims the longer we wait, the worse it gets.
But this is interesting.

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

Fulfillment of wishlists and spending that will never be traced or quantified to help fix the problems we face at this time.

[steve]

after 8 years of tax cuts and voodoo economics, two wars, as well as disgracing what it means to be an american, money spent on helping instead of hurting is wrong? some say it is not enough

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by steve

after 8 years of tax cuts and voodoo economics, two wars, as well as disgracing what it means to be an american, money spent on helping instead of hurting is wrong? some say it is not enough

Post number 396 of Liberal refusing to address issue.

Voodoo economics..

Hell you are right, it seems as though the American education system may need 1 trillion more because it hasnt help some people very much.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Asking the Republicans to run the country is like asking a speed sprinter at Charles Town to win a hurdle race over 12 fences.

It's good to see them finally back at what they do best ... and that's being out of power, loud, and obstructionist.

[steve]

maybe if the schools taught students how to think rather thananswer standardize test questions they would not need that money but that is all the better No Child Left Behind could accomplish

The Republicans seem to think there is some
sort of great joy amongst democrats on this bill.
I dont see it that way. I am as skeptical as anyone
else. But it is sort of amazing that the same Republicans
that voted for Ronald Reagan and his huge deficit
spending that put us in really deep are so freaked out.

The Republican line was deficits dont really hurt in
government. This is one thing I really dont get.
When Clinton balanced the budget there was no
great outpouring of love from Republicans.

I realize the deficit that this stimulus will produce
will be huge. But the line was always but jobs will
created... I remember this very clearly in the 80's
from Republicans. It will "trickle down".
Deficits are not bad at all.
I guess those guys are all dead
or something.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

Do you really believe this?
I hope they are correct.
But hope is a bit unsettling in the current situation.

Or does this mean that doing nothing will lead us out
of a recession...

and directly into depression?

And I am still not entirely certain what a recession is.
I have seen it defined in a number of ways.
I dont even know who or what body
officially decides we are in a recession.