put together your best 5 ( NBA TEAM )

Originally Posted by King Glorious

C-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
F-Hakeem Olajuwon
F-Larry Bird
G-John Stockton
G-Michael Jordan

C-Shaquille O'Neal
F-Bill Russell
F-LeBron James
G-Magic Johnson
G-Kobe Bryant

C-Wilt Chamberlain
F-Dennis Rodman
F-Charles Barkley
G-Oscar Robertson
G-Pete Maravich

Current team
C-Andrew Bynum
F-Tim Duncan
F-LeBron James
G-Chris Paul
G-Kobe Bryant

Good Lord in Heaven...

[alysheba4]

hard to leave off the great "big o "...........worthy was underrated, magic always said that

[GBBob]

No Pistol Pete or Jerry West sightings

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Good Lord in Heaven...

If you had a chance to see Bynum in the last couple of weeks before he got hurt, you would understand. His numbers are deceiving. First, he's the third option on his team and option #1 is the reigning MVP and #2 is another all-star. So he's not going to get nearly the opportunities as guys like Howard and Ming. In his last 10 games, he was averaging 20.8 pts, 9.8 boards, 2.6 blocks, and shooting 62% from the field. This was all in 28 minutes per game. You've got to remember that he missed the second half of last year and is just now getting into a rhythm. If you compare him to Howard's career, he compares very favorably. At age 20:

Bynum
28.8 mins
13.1 pts
10.2 reb
2.1 blks
64% fg

Howard
32.6 mins
12.0 pts
10.0 reb
1.7 blks
52% fg

And again, it's worth noting that Bynum is not even close to the focal point of his team's offense while Howard is an integral part of his. I am very confident that once Bynum gets out from under the shadow of Bryant, he's going to be the dominant center in the league.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you had a chance to see Bynum in the last couple of weeks before he got hurt, you would understand. His numbers are deceiving. First, he's the third option on his team and option #1 is the reigning MVP and #2 is another all-star. So he's not going to get nearly the opportunities as guys like Howard and Ming. In his last 10 games, he was averaging 20.8 pts, 9.8 boards, 2.6 blocks, and shooting 62% from the field. This was all in 28 minutes per game. You've got to remember that he missed the second half of last year and is just now getting into a rhythm. If you compare him to Howard's career, he compares very favorably. At age 20:

Bynum
28.8 mins
13.1 pts
10.2 reb
2.1 blks
64% fg

Howard
32.6 mins
12.0 pts
10.0 reb
1.7 blks
52% fg

And again, it's worth noting that Bynum is not even close to the focal point of his team's offense while Howard is an integral part of his. I am very confident that once Bynum gets out from under the shadow of Bryant, he's going to be the dominant center in the league.

He is the 2nd best Big man on his own team.
And fragile.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He is the 2nd best Big man on his own team.
And fragile.

He can be the second best big man but among centers in the league, that's irrelevant. If he were a forward, I wouldn't have him on there. And I don't know that it's fair to say he's fragile because of one injury. Yes one because this latest one was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone. It wasn't like he injured himself.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

He can be the second best big man but among centers in the league, that's irrelevant. If he were a forward, I wouldn't have him on there. And I don't know that it's fair to say he's fragile because of one injury. Yes one because this latest one was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone. It wasn't like he injured himself.

Have you seen Al Jefferson play?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

He can be the second best big man but among centers in the league, that's irrelevant. If he were a forward, I wouldn't have him on there. And I don't know that it's fair to say he's fragile because of one injury. Yes one because this latest one was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone. It wasn't like he injured himself.

Didn't stop you from putting Hakeem and Russell in as forwards when both were centers.

[alysheba4]

since people are mixing positions........here is my 6-9 and over team.

1. wilt at center
2. the dream at power foward
3. bird small foward
4. lebron shooting gaurd
5. magic at point

i know, this needs to end.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Didn't stop you from putting Hakeem and Russell in as forwards when both were centers.

True. In the case of both of those guys, especially Russell, I think they could be equally comfortable at the big forward spot. Russell was a center during his era but could not be one in today's NBA, I don't think. Guys like Bynum, Howard, Ming, Shaq, Ilgauskas......they are just too big and strong for him. I believe Russell was around 6-9, 220 or so. He fit in well with other big men of his era but would be way undersized today. I see him in today's game as something like a Rodman type but a better shot-blocker. I've always wondered what Shaq and Hakeem's numbers would look like if they were playing in Chamberlain and Russell's spots and vice-versa. I think Shaq and Hakeem would have dominated even more than the older guys did and I don't know if Chamberlain and Russell could have matched the numbers of the younger guys.

That brings me to another question. Which players from pre-1970 do you all think could have played successfully in today's game and how well do you think they would do? I think a guy like Robertson could play but I doubt he'd be going for 30-10-10 a year like he did then. Maravich could definitely play and be a great player now. Baylor and West could play but I don't think they'd have close to the same numbers they did then, especially Baylor. It's hard for me to see a 6-5 guy going for 17 boards a game. No way Chamberlain or Russell would come close to the numbers they did then but both could play and be really good. Who are some others?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

True. In the case of both of those guys, especially Russell, I think they could be equally comfortable at the big forward spot. Russell was a center during his era but could not be one in today's NBA, I don't think. Guys like Bynum, Howard, Ming, Shaq, Ilgauskas......they are just too big and strong for him. I believe Russell was around 6-9, 220 or so. He fit in well with other big men of his era but would be way undersized today. I see him in today's game as something like a Rodman type but a better shot-blocker. I've always wondered what Shaq and Hakeem's numbers would look like if they were playing in Chamberlain and Russell's spots and vice-versa. I think Shaq and Hakeem would have dominated even more than the older guys did and I don't know if Chamberlain and Russell could have matched the numbers of the younger guys.

That brings me to another question. Which players from pre-1970 do you all think could have played successfully in today's game and how well do you think they would do? I think a guy like Robertson could play but I doubt he'd be going for 30-10-10 a year like he did then. Maravich could definitely play and be a great player now. Baylor and West could play but I don't think they'd have close to the same numbers they did then, especially Baylor. It's hard for me to see a 6-5 guy going for 17 boards a game. No way Chamberlain or Russell would come close to the numbers they did then but both could play and be really good. Who are some others?

All of what you said may be true but they were still Centers

The problem with comparing eras is that people are simply a lot bigger now than they were 40 years ago. NFL lineman were 235 or 240, 6'3 guys could play forward, etc.

Jerry West would probably have been a better version of Jeff hornachek
Robertson would be like Deron williams
Baylor would be like a better version of Gerald Wallace (who is good even if noone knows who he is)
Rick Barry could play now as well

Originally Posted by King Glorious

True. In the case of both of those guys, especially Russell, I think they could be equally comfortable at the big forward spot. Russell was a center during his era but could not be one in today's NBA, I don't think. Guys like Bynum, Howard, Ming, Shaq, Ilgauskas......they are just too big and strong for him. I believe Russell was around 6-9, 220 or so. He fit in well with other big men of his era but would be way undersized today. I see him in today's game as something like a Rodman type but a better shot-blocker. I've always wondered what Shaq and Hakeem's numbers would look like if they were playing in Chamberlain and Russell's spots and vice-versa. I think Shaq and Hakeem would have dominated even more than the older guys did and I don't know if Chamberlain and Russell could have matched the numbers of the younger guys.

That brings me to another question. Which players from pre-1970 do you all think could have played successfully in today's game and how well do you think they would do? I think a guy like Robertson could play but I doubt he'd be going for 30-10-10 a year like he did then. Maravich could definitely play and be a great player now. Baylor and West could play but I don't think they'd have close to the same numbers they did then, especially Baylor. It's hard for me to see a 6-5 guy going for 17 boards a game. No way Chamberlain or Russell would come close to the numbers they did then but both could play and be really good. Who are some others?

I think Russell could certainly play but agree on the numbers. His timing on D cant be taught. Roberston absolutley. West... I swear I dont think the guy ever dribbled with his left hand. His handles going left... bad. Chamberlain could play, but not dominate, which I think is very obvious. Baylor definitley played a modern game. Seeing he is not Barkley, the boards would not come as easily.
Speaking of... Barkley is really the freak. A 6' 5" power forward. Never seen a guy that "small" with that strength. Rodman is mentioned but he really was a specialist. Barkley could do about everything.