Andy Beyer, Dutrow, DRF

[cmorioles]

I think one thing that is being overlooked in all this is that a lot of these guys, and Dutrow definitely, bet, and they bet a lot.

If they are cheating, they are stealing from everyone, whether you bet on him or against him.

[gales0678]

how do we know rick beat on sat though?

also didn't he have a horse in the next race that was the favorite and was off the board?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how do we know rick beat on sat though?

also didn't he have a horse in the next race that was the favorite and was off the board?

Right...and when do you think he would bet? A favorite or an 8 to 1 shot? Who would he be more likely to juice? A favorite, or an 8 to 1 shot?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Right...and when do you think he would bet? A favorite or an 8 to 1 shot? Who would he be more likely to juice? A favorite, or an 8 to 1 shot?

again explain to me how you know Rick bet this race?

[cmorioles]

I don't. But I know he bets, he says so. I really don't care if he bet on this particular race. What does it matter?

That said, I'd be shocked if he didn't bet on the race. What makes you, oh wise sage, think he did not?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't. But I know he bets, he says so. I really don't care if he bet on this particular race. What does it matter?

That said, I'd be shocked if he didn't bet on the race. What makes you, oh wise sage, think he did not?

i don't think you or i know when any trainer makes a bet on a particular horse or doesn't bet a particular horse , that's all i'm saying

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i don't think you or i know when any trainer makes a bet on a particular horse or doesn't bet a particular horse , that's all i'm saying

I never said I did. I'm just saying they have the ability to bet or not bet, and also control whether a horse is at its best. Of course, all trainers do this, but those that move horses up suspiciously are probably more likely to bet when they perform whatever "miracle" cure it is they are using.

[gales0678]

we all know he bet St Liam in the BCC at a short price in the BCC , so why do you think he didn't bet the favroite in the next race?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think one thing that is being overlooked in all this is that a lot of these guys, and Dutrow definitely, bet, and they bet a lot.

If they are cheating, they are stealing from everyone, whether you bet on him or against him.

Dutrow (and others like him) steal from us when they bet their (assumed to be) juiced horses.

Whales steal from us when they're allowed to bet after the race has started. AND
Stewards steal from us with their poor/inconsistent decisions.


I can do something about the former: by looking for patterns. In this sense, cheating trainers are not unlike flawed (or limited availability) data. (For an example of an attempt at 'cheating' the public, take a look at the chart for yesterday's 9th at AQU. A slight misrepresentation of the facts. )

The betting after the fact, and steward issues, are something completely different, however. There's no defense.

Everyone is up in arms that the tracks don't test more stringently for drugs; in order to make the game 'fairer'.

The tracks don't want a 'fair' game.

The focus needs to come off the cheating trainers and on to more significant issues that impact the bettor.