This One's for Phil goes nuts...

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Is that a serious question? You really lump Wolfson with the Dutrow's and Ness' s of the world? The man is a great trainer. He doesn't ever have 45% winners at a meet like the above and that says alot.

Paul

He did take a 6yo Meisques Approval, who was an Overnight Stake horse for BILL MOTT and turn him into a Breeders Cup Champ. He crushed a good group of horses that day. Had he faced the same group the year before, he wouldve been drowned.

[MISTERGEE]

long range problem is the owners who dont win the 30% of races with these guys will be knocked out of the game and for example in fla we will have a 3 horse stakes field with entries from maybe wesley ward, kirk ziadie and wolfson

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

He did take a 6yo Meisques Approval, who was an Overnight Stake horse for BILL MOTT and turn him into a Breeders Cup Champ. He crushed a good group of horses that day. Had he faced the same group the year before, he wouldve been drowned.

Miesque's Approval had won several stakes that year leading up to the Breeder's Cup starting with the Sunshine Millions Turf in January. He won the Eclipse that year because of the whole campaign. It is not like that win came from no where.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Miesque's Approval had won several stakes that year leading up to the Breeder's Cup starting with the Sunshine Millions Turf in January. He won the Eclipse that year because of the whole campaign. It is not like that win came from no where.

Paul

You're correct. Marty Wolfson did not just turn him around for a miracle win in the BC Mile. He also turned this 7YO claimer around for several wins in stakes. Just mentioning the BC doesn't do this particular miracle justice.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're correct. Marty Wolfson did not just turn him around for a miracle win in the BC Mile. He also turned this 7YO claimer around for several wins in stakes. Just mentioning the BC doesn't do this particular miracle justice.

One of my great disappointments as a fan is not having had the chance to see what Wolfson could have done with horses like Theatrical and Cigar. He could have straightened out the mistakes that Mott was making and really made them special.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

One of my great disappointments as a fan is not having had the chance to see what Wolfson could have done with horses like Theatrical and Cigar. He could have straightened out the mistakes that Mott was making and really made them special.

He surely would have had Cigar running on dirt.
He could have won the Jackie Wackie, my personal fav Stake, like 5 straight years.

[parsixfarms]

Let's not forget the wonders that Wolfson has performed with Slewfoundmoney, another Live Oak horse who couldn't get out of her own way with Hall of Fame trainer Bill Mott.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget the wonders that Wolfson has performed with Slewfoundmoney, another Live Oak horse who couldn't get out of her own way with Hall of Fame trainer Bill Mott.

Makes you wonder why Ms. Weber doesn't give Miracle Marty all her horses.
Why waste time and money with guys like Mott amd Malcolm Pierce.
Not to mention the biggest joke for a trainer in NY, John Kimmel.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget the wonders that Wolfson has performed with Slewfoundmoney, another Live Oak horse who couldn't get out of her own way with Hall of Fame trainer Bill Mott.

Mott always thought highly of her. He just couldn't get her to run in the afternoon, for whatever reason. In her case, it was more 'psychological' than anything.

Still waiting for Wolfson to work his magic on Onoitsmymothernlaw.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Miesque's Approval had won several stakes that year leading up to the Breeder's Cup starting with the Sunshine Millions Turf in January. He won the Eclipse that year because of the whole campaign. It is not like that win came from no where.

Paul

I never said the BC Mile win came from nowhere. He had a very solid campaign.
I was drawing the comparsion from the previous year. What the horse would have done in the same race 12 months earlier. ( before Marty Miracle)

[Linny]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

He did take a 6yo Meisques Approval, who was an Overnight Stake horse for BILL MOTT and turn him into a Breeders Cup Champ. He crushed a good group of horses that day. Had he faced the same group the year before, he wouldve been drowned.

MA was a very good 3yo grasser but had tailed off by the time Wolfson got him. He was offered for a $50k tag in the late fall of the year prior to his Mile win. I think it was his only race for a tag. That hardly makes him a "claimer" in the usual sense. Like how when Charismatic won the Derby and was hailed as a "former claimer." That said, I do agree that Wolfson overall, belongs in this category.