A belated thanks from across the pond...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being" like Obama is. I personally hope Obama is a good president and does great things for our country. But he is a politician who has not really done much other than get elected a few times which hardly qualifies you as great or amazing. The fawning is excessive but the mainstream media is not liberal right? Tuesdays coverage which was close to hysteria should end that debate.

The whole "mainstream media is liberal," "mainstream media is conservative" line of thinking is lazy, paranoid and moronic. The media is too large and amorphous to lean one way. If they do lean one way, it's toward whatever gets the best ratings/readership/listeners. For a while, the country as a whole leaned more conservative, so the media generally leaned in that direction too (let Bush slide on monumental screwups). Now that the country has shifted more toward the Democrats, the media is going nuts for Obama and MSNBC has become less bashful about its slant, as Fox News did during the early Bush years. I guarantee that as soon as Obama slips up, the right-wing section of the media will be heard from loud and clear once again.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The whole "mainstream media is liberal," "mainstream media is conservative" line of thinking is lazy, paranoid and moronic. The media is too large and amorphous to lean one way. If they do lean one way, it's toward whatever gets the best ratings/readership/listeners. For a while, the country as a whole leaned more conservative, so the media generally leaned in that direction too (let Bush slide on monumental screwups). Now that the country has shifted more toward the Democrats, the media is going nuts for Obama and MSNBC has become less bashful about its slant, as Fox News did during the early Bush years. I guarantee that as soon as Obama slips up, the right-wing section of the media will be heard from loud and clear once again.

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

well put.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

That is very liberal of you. When faced with an opposing opinion lash out into personal attacks. I suppose that you are just following the template given to you by MoveOn.org. I'm sure that you feel only Fox News and the NY Post are the only outlets that aren't "fair and balanced". Why is it so hard for you to understand that the media is generally made up of people who are far more liberal on average than the country as a whole? Most journalism schools are headed by left leaning individuals and have been for a long time? Why wouldn't left leaning people, educated via left leaning institutions go on to lean left in their real world jobs?

I have lots of liberal friends. They dont take it as an insult when I call them liberals. You seem to take offense at that. Maybe if you stopped looking at the world in terms of black and white you might see that the other side occasionally has a good point and maybe, just maybe, show you something that you didn't see yourself.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

you would be the only one I have on ignore but since I can't put a "moderator" on ignore you'll have to ignore me

ignorant maybe - to the indoctrinated

name calling is what you do when you've lost an argument
when you only think what you've been told to think.

I never did get an answer to my question - What was so amazing about Barackovich? Outside of champaigining - I know of nothing he has done.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is rich.

I'll be rich when the currency switches to bullets and bic lighters

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

You must be joking about this part.
The vast majority of the media simply went along for the ride in 2002 without ever asking the administration the tough questions about a war that a lot of intelligent people realized at the time was a terrible idea.
Only after the U.S. invasion of Iraq turned into the unquestionable disaster that it became did the majority of the media finally turn on Bush. Are the majority of reporters probably Democrats? Yeah. But for the first two years of that miserable ass-hole's administration....the media as a whole was pretty much in love with him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You must be joking about this part.
The vast majority of the media simply went along for the ride in 2002 without ever asking the administration the tough questions about a war that a lot of intelligent people realized at the time was a terrible idea.
Only after the U.S. invasion of Iraq turned into the unquestionable disaster that it became did the majority of the media finally turn on Bush. Are the majority of reporters probably Democrats? Yeah. But for the first two years of that miserable ass-hole's administration....the media as a whole was pretty much in love with him.

Are you kidding? After a terrorist attack on the country you think that the media was going to go all left wing on Bush? Are you serious? Do you think editors wanted to get canned? The mood of the country was very apolitical at the time in case you have forgotten.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

After a terrorist attack on the country you think that the media was going to go all left wing on Bush? Are you serious? Do you think editors wanted to get canned? The mood of the country was very apolitical at the time in case you have forgotten.

I'm at least glad to see that you seem to agree that the media was basically a neo-con propaganda machine for two years. Your point seems to be that they are really a bunch of liberals at heart who only acted like neo-cons for awhile out of fear of being labeled unpatriotic and losing their jobs. That is probably pretty accurate, but how much of a bias is that if they are all afraid of standing up for correct liberal principles when they matter most?

I agree with your point that the majority of individual members of the media are slightly center-left, but the television media as a whole (minus MSNBC and Fox) tries so hard to be "neutral" or simply "pro-America" that they end up being basically useless.
And I mean come on....it isn't exactly like they put left-wing wackos like me or GBBob on the air.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm at least glad to see that you seem to agree that the media was basically a neo-con propaganda machine for two years. Your point seems to be that they are really a bunch of liberals at heart who only acted like neo-cons for awhile out of fear of being labeled unpatriotic and losing their jobs. That is probably pretty accurate, but how much of a bias is that if they are all afraid of standing up for correct liberal principles when they matter most?

I agree with your point that the majority of individual members of the media are slightly center-left, but the television media as a whole (minus MSNBC and Fox) tries so hard to be "neutral" or simply "pro-America" that they end up being basically useless.
And I mean come on....it isn't exactly like they put left-wing wackos like me or GBBob on the air.

i think the media will beat whatever drum they feel will produce the best ratings....it's what drives their game, not truth-and that's a shame.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think the media will beat whatever drum they feel will produce the best ratings....it's what drives their game, not truth-and that's a shame.

Probably most of the National stuff tilts a lil left. Other than MSNBC, most sure don't come even close to how far FOX NEWS tilts right. What is weird is that Fox always says they're fair n' balanced.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm at least glad to see that you seem to agree that the media was basically a neo-con propaganda machine for two years. Your point seems to be that they are really a bunch of liberals at heart who only acted like neo-cons for awhile out of fear of being labeled unpatriotic and losing their jobs. That is probably pretty accurate, but how much of a bias is that if they are all afraid of standing up for correct liberal principles when they matter most?

I agree with your point that the majority of individual members of the media are slightly center-left, but the television media as a whole (minus MSNBC and Fox) tries so hard to be "neutral" or simply "pro-America" that they end up being basically useless.
And I mean come on....it isn't exactly like they put left-wing wackos like me or GBBob on the air.

You can play Maher and Bob can be Olberman

Slant doesn't simply mean rhetoric or making up stuff. It is about downplaying stories, burying them deep in the paper, under reporting, nitpicking, putting personal feelings in a news story, over emphasizing the negative/positive depending on the results. It can be subtle and cleverly designed.

After 9/11 it would have been suicide to be openly hostile towards Bush or his policies. We now have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight. But what if they had been right? What if they found a nuke in storage under Saddam's bed? No editor or producer was going to stick their neck out too far with the country wanting blood and Bush's approval rating at 90%. I didn't say they were dumb. But if i quote the NY Post or Fox news or the Wall Street Journal about a subject the info is automatically discredited as conservatively biased yet some will deny that the NY Times or Washington Post or CNN is liberally biased.

The ironic part is that I am far from a party line conservative. I dont give a damn about abortion, I believe in stem cell research, could care less about any subject concerning gays (hey if they are crazy enough to want to join the army or worse get married, more power to them), dont give a **** about school vouchers or school prayer, believe in the separation between church and state (but think the zealots on both side need to give it a rest, Merry Christmas shouldn't be a dirty word), think there are benefits but also some issues with free trade, think taxes should be low but wasteful govt spending especially pork cut as well, think affirmative action should be eliminated, anti union, pro business, etc. I believe gun laws need more restrictions, think universal health care is impossible in this country, think the ACLU may harbor more anti-american terrorists than Al-Quida, have no issue with the death penalty, etc.

But I also have developed a healthy distrust and general disdain for politicians of both parties (including the extraordinary human who now leads us) but it seems to me that democrats are far easier to dislike. Pelosi is total scum, Schumer is a liar, Rangel is a crook, Harry Reid is dangerous, Ted Kennedy is a waste of oxygen, Gore is a moron, Hillary is a bad human, Blogo! But I also think Newt Gingrich is full of it, McCain is mixed up, Ed Whitfield is a dirtbag, Ernie Fletcher is a crook, Jon Kly is an *******, Jeb Bush rode the short bus, have disdain for Spector etc.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pelosi is total scum..

LOL....She's pretty much a styrofoam head. If ya want to say that one's pretty useless, then I would agree. She ain't much. She would be a better fit working at a funeral home(fake smiling,....and getting people to buy the most expensive caskets etc.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left.

The radio stuff is mainly Grumpy Middle-aged Conservatives. Just listen to your Fox Noise. I've never understood Why Conservatives n' Progressives almost always seem more interested in the other guy's shows.