NFL overtime rule

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Total no. of overtime games (1974–2003) 365
Both teams had at least one possession 261 (72 %)
Team won toss and won game 189 (52 %)
Team lost toss and won game 160 (44 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 102 (28 %)
Games ending in a tie 15 (5 %)

http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html

I'm going to bring this back and side with ateam and horseofcourse.

There is absolutely nothing that should be changed about overtime. If you lose the toss, make them go three and out or force a turnover. If a team gets the ball first, drives right over the defense and scores, they deserve to win.

The only thing they should change about overtime is informing all of the players, especially QB's, that the game CAN end in a tie.

[Danzig]

but antitrust...let's say you're driving, but run out of time-you just needed a few more years, you could kick the ball and win with a field goal. but the buzzer sounds. you lose the toss, the other teams gets the ball, gets a run back, and gets close enough for a field goal-bam, they win. but you had the ball last-they weren't stopping you, the clock stopped you. but because the fifth quarter starts with a coin toss, you don't get to remain on offense....perhaps, instead of stopping play completely, having a coin toss and kickoff, they should just keep going from where the fourth quarter ended...
i understand that both sides of the team have to play, but i also can see where people want the OT rules tweaked.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but antitrust...let's say you're driving, but run out of time-you just needed a few more years, you could kick the ball and win with a field goal. but the buzzer sounds. you lose the toss, the other teams gets the ball, gets a run back, and gets close enough for a field goal-bam, they win. but you had the ball last-they weren't stopping you, the clock stopped you. but because the fifth quarter starts with a coin toss, you don't get to remain on offense....perhaps, instead of stopping play completely, having a coin toss and kickoff, they should just keep going from where the fourth quarter ended...
i understand that both sides of the team have to play, but i also can see where people want the OT rules tweaked.

that is no excuse Zig.. if the clock runs out the clock runs out.. doesnt matter where you are. That is why there are two minute drills, and clock and time-out management. 60 minutes is up, you toss a coin and go to sudden death.

Regarding the situation you just laid out.. Can you imagine if a team was driving at the end of the game with the score tied "Dont worry fella's, we dont need to score here! No need to rush!" Its silly really.

Each team has a 50/50 chance of winning the coin toss. It is very fair. Each team has a defense who is supposed to keep the other team from putting points on the board. You either get the job done or you dont!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but antitrust...let's say you're driving, but run out of time-you just needed a few more years, you could kick the ball and win with a field goal. but the buzzer sounds. you lose the toss, the other teams gets the ball, gets a run back, and gets close enough for a field goal-bam, they win. but you had the ball last-they weren't stopping you, the clock stopped you. but because the fifth quarter starts with a coin toss, you don't get to remain on offense....perhaps, instead of stopping play completely, having a coin toss and kickoff, they should just keep going from where the fourth quarter ended...
i understand that both sides of the team have to play, but i also can see where people want the OT rules tweaked.

This is nonsense. If the clock runs out on you, it's your fault, not the fault of the clock. Either save some timeouts, manage the clock better or try for more yards per play. More excuses for ineptitude. No team is owed anything. Either find a way to score before the buzzer or sit down.

If overtime was the way you suggested, it would completely eliminate the two-minute drill in a tie game. Another way to make the game longer and more boring.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but antitrust...let's say you're driving, but run out of time-you just needed a few more years, you could kick the ball and win with a field goal. but the buzzer sounds. you lose the toss, the other teams gets the ball, gets a run back, and gets close enough for a field goal-bam, they win. but you had the ball last-they weren't stopping you, the clock stopped you. but because the fifth quarter starts with a coin toss, you don't get to remain on offense....perhaps, instead of stopping play completely, having a coin toss and kickoff, they should just keep going from where the fourth quarter ended...
i understand that both sides of the team have to play, but i also can see where people want the OT rules tweaked.

also to add to my post 53... why would you reward a team that failed to score before time expired?

[Danzig]

i'm not personally saying that would be the best way....i'm just saying that the current system isn't the only way to handle it. i think by suggesting various ideas, a workable solution could be reached-maybe i'm wrong. of course, it doesn't matter anyway, unless the nfl wants a change.
to be honest, and i think i said this before, i don't see why regular season games can't end in a tie. kick in OT in the postseason. but then, i don't understand why baseball doesn't do the same thing, rather than 13-15 inning marathons, especially considering the amount of games they play.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not personally saying that would be the best way....i'm just saying that the current system isn't the only way to handle it. i think by suggesting various ideas, a workable solution could be reached-maybe i'm wrong. of course, it doesn't matter anyway, unless the nfl wants a change.
to be honest, and i think i said this before, i don't see why regular season games can't end in a tie. kick in OT in the postseason. but then, i don't understand why baseball doesn't do the same thing, rather than 13-15 inning marathons, especially considering the amount of games they play.

Excuse me Mr. McNabb, oops! I mean Zig, NFL regular season game CAN end in a tie... after a 15 minute sudden death overtime.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rule, college overtimes are very silly, yet I will admit they are exciting.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Excuse me Mr. McNabb, oops! I mean Zig, NFL regular season game CAN end in a tie... after a 15 minute sudden death overtime.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rule, college overtimes are very silly, yet I will admit they are exciting.

yes, i know they can. my question is, why play an extra quarter if it can end in a tie anyway? the players are all beat to hell by seasons' end anyway, i doubt they'd cry over losing an extra quarter in a regular season game.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

also to add to my post 53... why would you reward a team that failed to score before time expired?

maybe because of situations such as the denver/san diego debacle, when a ref screwed up??

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

maybe because of situations such as the denver/san diego debacle, when a ref screwed up??

LOL

I'm going to take it easy on ya Ziggy cause I like ya!

[King Glorious]

While we're at it, we should probably stop giving the home team the final at-bat in baseball. If after 8 1/2 innings, the road team has the lead, game over. Why should we give the home team equal opportunity? Same thing if it goes to extra innings. If on the first pitch of the 10th, the home pitcher gives up a home run, game over. Sudden death baseball. Makes as much sense as any silly sudden death football talk. It's only sudden death when both teams are given the same opportunity. You get some game like the Jets/Pats game where neither team could stop the other one. The Jets didn't earn that victory any more than the Patriots did. If the coin had gone the other way, the Pats likely would have had the victory. A coin flip should not determine who wins a professional sporting event. It shouldn't even factor in at all. If they want to do it that way, why even play the games at all? Let's just flip coins at the beginning and whoever wins, wins the games.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While we're at it, we should probably stop giving the home team the final at-bat in baseball. If after 8 1/2 innings, the road team has the lead, game over. Why should we give the home team equal opportunity? Same thing if it goes to extra innings. If on the first pitch of the 10th, the home pitcher gives up a home run, game over. Sudden death baseball. Makes as much sense as any silly sudden death football talk. It's only sudden death when both teams are given the same opportunity. You get some game like the Jets/Pats game where neither team could stop the other one. The Jets didn't earn that victory any more than the Patriots did. If the coin had gone the other way, the Pats likely would have had the victory. A coin flip should not determine who wins a professional sporting event. It shouldn't even factor in at all. If they want to do it that way, why even play the games at all? Let's just flip coins at the beginning and whoever wins, wins the games.

This is crazy talk KG and the comparison to baseball is laughable!

How do the teams not have equal opportunity??? All they have to do is make a stop and they get the ball?!?!?!?

funny stuff! Nobody on here has come up with an idea better than what is already happening. Its not going to happen.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

This is crazy talk KG and the comparison to baseball is laughable!

How do the teams not have equal opportunity??? All they have to do is make a stop and they get the ball?!?!?!?

funny stuff! Nobody on here has come up with an idea better than what is already happening. Its not going to happen.

Equal opportunity is letting both teams have the ball and making both teams have to stop the other. Making one team have to stop the other is not equal. I don't understand how anyone can rightfully argue that it is equal. You are saying that all they have to do is make a stop...well not make both teams have to do that same thing? Why is that onus only on one team? And I couldn't disagree more that nobody has come up with a better idea than what's currently in place. I've read several ideas that I think are much better than the current system. I've thought about it some more and I'd let each team have the ball once. Either your defense stops them and you make them punt and you get it or if they score, you get in on a kickoff. After each team has had it once, now, first to score wins. And on any touchdowns, no kicking the extra point. Have to go for two.

And why is the baseball talk laughable? If you give up a run in the top of the 10th, the game should be over right? I mean, all the home team should have to do is get a stop and then take advantage of their own chance right? If they can't get a stop in the top of the 10th, why do they deserve a chance in the bottom? It's the same thing as the football overtime currently is.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Equal opportunity is letting both teams have the ball and making both teams have to stop the other. Making one team have to stop the other is not equal. I don't understand how anyone can rightfully argue that it is equal. You are saying that all they have to do is make a stop...well not make both teams have to do that same thing? Why is that onus only on one team? And I couldn't disagree more that nobody has come up with a better idea than what's currently in place. I've read several ideas that I think are much better than the current system. I've thought about it some more and I'd let each team have the ball once. Either your defense stops them and you make them punt and you get it or if they score, you get in on a kickoff. After each team has had it once, now, first to score wins. And on any touchdowns, no kicking the extra point. Have to go for two.

And why is the baseball talk laughable? If you give up a run in the top of the 10th, the game should be over right? I mean, all the home team should have to do is get a stop and then take advantage of their own chance right? If they can't get a stop in the top of the 10th, why do they deserve a chance in the bottom? It's the same thing as the football overtime currently is.

it is not the same thing at all.. just off the top of my head, the defense in baseball is not able to score at all. Defenses in football are able to put the ball into their hands and into the endzone. Shoot there are some teams in the league who's defenses score more (or it seems that way at least!) than the offense! its just oranges and apples sir.

all you have to do is stop the team from getting 10 yards in three downs & they will punt.. the whole game is built around that aspect.

Only 1/4th of games are won by the team who won the toss and drove down and scored. The stats even prove that there is no reason to change anything.

I give up though, have a great day!!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Equal opportunity is letting both teams have the ball and making both teams have to stop the other. Making one team have to stop the other is not equal. I don't understand how anyone can rightfully argue that it is equal. You are saying that all they have to do is make a stop...well not make both teams have to do that same thing? Why is that onus only on one team? And I couldn't disagree more that nobody has come up with a better idea than what's currently in place. I've read several ideas that I think are much better than the current system. I've thought about it some more and I'd let each team have the ball once. Either your defense stops them and you make them punt and you get it or if they score, you get in on a kickoff. After each team has had it once, now, first to score wins. And on any touchdowns, no kicking the extra point. Have to go for two.

And why is the baseball talk laughable? If you give up a run in the top of the 10th, the game should be over right? I mean, all the home team should have to do is get a stop and then take advantage of their own chance right? If they can't get a stop in the top of the 10th, why do they deserve a chance in the bottom? It's the same thing as the football overtime currently is.

If your argument is really for equality then no game should end unless each team gets an equal number of possessions during the game. I mean, how can it be fair if one team gets 10 possessions and the other only gets 9? Shouldn't the other team get one more chance in regulation? Unless you are willing to endorse that idiotic idea then how can you campaign for equal possessions in overtime?

The closest to a concession that I'd be willing to give on the issue would be the idea that in overtime the kicking team kicks off from the 40 instead of the 30. Make that rule and I bet the receiving and kicking team win 50% of the time in the long run.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Equal opportunity is letting both teams have the ball and making both teams have to stop the other. Making one team have to stop the other is not equal. I don't understand how anyone can rightfully argue that it is equal. You are saying that all they have to do is make a stop...well not make both teams have to do that same thing? Why is that onus only on one team? And I couldn't disagree more that nobody has come up with a better idea than what's currently in place. I've read several ideas that I think are much better than the current system. I've thought about it some more and I'd let each team have the ball once. Either your defense stops them and you make them punt and you get it or if they score, you get in on a kickoff. After each team has had it once, now, first to score wins. And on any touchdowns, no kicking the extra point. Have to go for two.

And why is the baseball talk laughable? If you give up a run in the top of the 10th, the game should be over right? I mean, all the home team should have to do is get a stop and then take advantage of their own chance right? If they can't get a stop in the top of the 10th, why do they deserve a chance in the bottom? It's the same thing as the football overtime currently is.

So under your system, both teams get the ball. If they both score and convert the conversion, then you go to sudden death? Then you are right back in the same boat as you are in now. What's so great about that system?

The baseball debate is absolutley ridiculous. The last time I checked the team in the field couldn't score any runs. Just moronic!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While we're at it, we should probably stop giving the home team the final at-bat in baseball. If after 8 1/2 innings, the road team has the lead, game over. Why should we give the home team equal opportunity? Same thing if it goes to extra innings. If on the first pitch of the 10th, the home pitcher gives up a home run, game over. Sudden death baseball. Makes as much sense as any silly sudden death football talk. It's only sudden death when both teams are given the same opportunity. You get some game like the Jets/Pats game where neither team could stop the other one. The Jets didn't earn that victory any more than the Patriots did. If the coin had gone the other way, the Pats likely would have had the victory. A coin flip should not determine who wins a professional sporting event. It shouldn't even factor in at all. If they want to do it that way, why even play the games at all? Let's just flip coins at the beginning and whoever wins, wins the games.

You're a moron. Grow a sack. I'm sure you're going to tell me that you know 6,000 NFL insiders who agree with you, but you're still an idiot.

If you actually watched the Jets/Pats game, you'd remember that on the first two plays of the Jets' drive, the Jets did less than nothing, and looked awful doing it. Then, on 3rd & 15, Favre made a great pass to Dustin Keller and he dove for a first down. Then the Patriots completely crapped themselves and allowed the Jets to drive down the field.

Again, I reiterate:

IF YOUR DEFENSE IS THAT WEAK, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WIN. STOP F.UCKING COMPLAINING AND GET A BETTER TEAM.

Jesus Christ.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're a moron. Grow a sack. I'm sure you're going to tell me that you know 6,000 NFL insiders who agree with you, but you're still an idiot.

If you actually watched the Jets/Pats game, you'd remember that on the first two plays of the Jets' drive, the Jets did less than nothing, and looked awful doing it. Then, on 3rd & 15, Favre made a great pass to Dustin Keller and he dove for a first down. Then the Patriots completely crapped themselves and allowed the Jets to drive down the field.

Again, I reiterate:

IF YOUR DEFENSE IS THAT WEAK, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WIN. STOP F.UCKING COMPLAINING AND GET A BETTER TEAM.

Jesus Christ.

I you!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're a moron. Grow a sack. I'm sure you're going to tell me that you know 6,000 NFL insiders who agree with you, but you're still an idiot.

If you actually watched the Jets/Pats game, you'd remember that on the first two plays of the Jets' drive, the Jets did less than nothing, and looked awful doing it. Then, on 3rd & 15, Favre made a great pass to Dustin Keller and he dove for a first down. Then the Patriots completely crapped themselves and allowed the Jets to drive down the field.

Again, I reiterate:

IF YOUR DEFENSE IS THAT WEAK, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WIN. STOP F.UCKING COMPLAINING AND GET A BETTER TEAM.

Jesus Christ.

Class personified.

The funniest thing about this post is that you are saying that the Patriots DIDN'T deserve to win because their defense is so weak. That would seem to suggest that the Jets DID deserve to win.......even though their defense was just as weak.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Class personified.

The funniest thing about this post is that you are saying that the Patriots DIDN'T deserve to win because their defense is so weak. That would seem to suggest that the Jets DID deserve to win.......even though their defense was just as weak.

No, but I wouldn't have cried like a bitch about the OT rules if the Patriots won the toss and shoved it in the Jets' assbasket one play after another on 3rd down. I would've blamed the shitty Jets defense for not being able to get a single clutch stop. The Pats defense choked monumentally on that drive, yet we're supposed to blame the coin.

And your baseball analogy is moronic because it's impossible for a team to score while pitching.