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Antitrust32 · #1 01-02-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

funny, you mention supposed mediocre teams..osu is right in that category! fla's one loss was to a better team than usc's one loss. then there's strength of schedule-and of course style points. fla smoked some good teams, made them look like division 2 opponents-and them beating the #1 team in the sec championship sure didn't hurt them.
i can see arguing for texas to be in the title game, but not usc.

It looks worse for USC to lose to OSC than for UF to lose to Ol Miss.

But how can anyone say Ol Miss is better than Oregon State? Oregon State has already won its bowl game (granted maybe the most boring bowl game ever played) and OSU had a terrific season, just as good as Ol Miss.

I dont think anyone can say Ol' Miss is better than OSU.

Danzig · #2 01-02-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

It looks worse for USC to lose to OSC than for UF to lose to Ol Miss.

But how can anyone say Ol Miss is better than Oregon State? Oregon State has already won its bowl game (granted maybe the most boring bowl game ever played) and OSU had a terrific season, just as good as Ol Miss.

I dont think anyone can say Ol' Miss is better than OSU.

i think after todays bowl, you can say ole miss is better than osu.

SniperSB23 · #3 01-02-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

Missippi was 8-4

Vanderbilt and USC beat them - 2 very medicore teams ,

Ole Miss is playing well now no question , but they were a middle of the road SEC team in the early part of the season

Ole miss is playing good ball now , i'll give you that , but again UF lost a home game in confernce and USC lost on the road in confernce big big difference - and USC wasn't blown out they lost a close game just like UF it

There is a west coast bias , no question about it - it's unfair to these kids to not get a chance

That is hilarious, a bias against USC? The only truly unbiased part of the BCS equation is the computers. And the computers had USC #7 in the country! The fact that they finished 5th in the BCS despite being 7th in the computers shows how biased the polls are in favor of USC.

gales0678 · #4 01-02-2009, 11:12 AM

computers rankings spit out numbers based on human inputs

is there anyone who is willing to say now after all the pac 10 bowls have been played that the confernce isn't better than what the computers say they are

i watched Oregon roll thru Ok St in the holiday bowl

Does anyone not think that USC couldn't roll thru any of these big 12 teams

Does anyone think John Parker Wilson could beat the USC defense ???

I ain't saying USC would beat Florida , but they s/b given the chance

SniperSB23 · #5 01-02-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

computers rankings spit out numbers based on human inputs

is there anyone who is willing to say now after all the pac 10 bowls have been played that the confernce isn't better than what the computers say they are

i watched Oregon roll thru Ok St in the holiday bowl

Does anyone not think that USC couldn't roll thru any of these big 12 teams

Does anyone think John Parker Wilson could beat the USC defense ???

I ain't saying USC would beat Florida , but they s/b given the chance

I'm not saying they wouldn't beat Florida but they didn't earn a chance anymore than Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, or Alabama did. Alabama and Texas lost to the best teams of any of them. Florida and Oklahoma beat the best teams of any of them. USC lost to a worse team than any and didn't beat a better team than any.

The problem is the system is flawed and it is why the sport needs a playoff system so badly. I mean, what happens if Utah pulls off the unexpected tonight and beat the Tide? How would they not have the best argument to be national champions at that point? Yet the pollsters wouldn't even have the option to put them #1 if they wanted to.

gales0678 · #6 01-02-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'm not saying they wouldn't beat Florida but they didn't earn a chance anymore than Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, or Alabama did. Alabama and Texas lost to the best teams of any of them. Florida and Oklahoma beat the best teams of any of them. USC lost to a worse team than any and didn't beat a better team than any.

The problem is the system is flawed and it is why the sport needs a playoff system so badly. I mean, what happens if Utah pulls off the unexpected tonight and beat the Tide? How would they not have the best argument to be national champions at that point? Yet the pollsters wouldn't even have the option to put them #1 if they wanted to.

how can you say that losing to an unranked team at home in the swamp when you have 100k plus cheering for you is a better loss than , losing on the road to a team that had basically the same record

explain to me how old miss is a better team the osu

what will you say if Utah playes 'bama down to the wire tonight???

After the USC game they lost at Utah and got beat by OU without their best player

Smooth Operator · #7 01-02-2009, 11:18 AM

Trojan D would stuff the Gators.

UF a 4 to 5-pt dog vs SC...

KY_Sasquash · #8 01-02-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

computers rankings spit out numbers based on human inputs

is there anyone who is willing to say now after all the pac 10 bowls have been played that the confernce isn't better than what the computers say they are

Does anyone not think that USC couldn't roll thru any of these big 12 teams

Does anyone think John Parker Wilson could beat the USC defense ???

I ain't saying USC would beat Florida , but they s/b given the chance

1.The Pac 10 teams have played mediocre teams in all their bowl games minus USC. The Pitt-OrgSt game was a joy to watch.

2. The Big 12 is greatly overrated by ESPN personalities and writers. They don't play any defense.

3. JPW would be ok vs USC defense. What about Sanchez vs Bama's D?

4. In your first post you say USC would beat FL, now you back off the statement and say they deserve to play them.

-Are you Brent Musberger?

jwkniska · #9 01-02-2009, 11:36 AM

the problem with USC is that as soon as they get out of SoCal, they fall apart. If they had to play a bowl game on a neutral field (or a road game), they'd look a whole lot worse.

The game I'd have wanted to see would have been USC-Tex, not Ok-Fl.... as Ok doesn't deserve it since Texas beat them.

Perfect reason for having a playoff, but there's so much $$ in the bowl system that none of the college presidents want to alter it.

gales0678 · #10 01-02-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

1.The Pac 10 teams have played mediocre teams in all their bowl games minus USC. The Pitt-OrgSt game was a joy to watch.

2. The Big 12 is greatly overrated by ESPN personalities and writers. They don't play any defense.

3. JPW would be ok vs USC defense. What about Sanchez vs Bama's D?

4. In your first post you say USC would beat FL, now you back off the statement and say they deserve to play them.

-Are you Brent Musberger?

since when do "could' and "would" have te same meaning???

Antitrust32 · #11 01-02-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

1.The Pac 10 teams have played mediocre teams in all their bowl games minus USC. The Pitt-OrgSt game was a joy to watch.

2. The Big 12 is greatly overrated by ESPN personalities and writers. They don't play any defense.

3. JPW would be ok vs USC defense. What about Sanchez vs Bama's D?

4. In your first post you say USC would beat FL, now you back off the statement and say they deserve to play them.

-Are you Brent Musberger?

BYU was highly thought of all season long and ranked 16th in the country. University of Arizona stomped them!

Oklahoma State was a very good team this year, as was Pitt & Penn State.

I very much disagree with your first point.

I very much AGREE with your second point... I think the Big 12 and there defenseless teams are overrated.

Danzig · #12 01-02-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

tell me why Ou or Florida deserves to be in the BCS game over them

there is no fairness to west coast teams on a natioanl level

cleary the pac 10 is every bit as good this year as any top confernce if you have been waching the bowls - they have won shootouts and defensive games

did you manage this with a straight face? usc is a perennial pre-season favorite-yet they always manage to shoot themselves in the foot by losing to a rather weak conference opponent. twice in the last three years to osu, and then the loss to abysmal stanford.
if you want to be considered the best, you can't lose to schools like that. everyone recognizes they are the dominant force on the west coast...now they just have to win those 'easy' games.
ole miss turned out to be a good team-which is why fla got the nod over usc. it's not that hard to figure out, is it?

gales0678 · #13 01-02-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

did you manage this with a straight face? usc is a perennial pre-season favorite-yet they always manage to shoot themselves in the foot by losing to a rather weak conference opponent. twice in the last three years to osu, and then the loss to abysmal stanford.
if you want to be considered the best, you can't lose to schools like that. everyone recognizes they are the dominant force on the west coast...now they just have to win those 'easy' games.
ole miss turned out to be a good team-which is why fla got the nod over usc. it's not that hard to figure out, is it?

what exactly was ole miss in sept ??? how were they any different than OSU

and how is OSU not consider a good team right now - they got beat by OU without their best player other than that they won all their games at the end of the season

all OSU does every year is win bowl games

gales0678 · #14 01-02-2009, 11:02 AM

and again i'll point out Florida lost at Home , not on the road

Danzig · #15 01-02-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

what exactly was ole miss in sept ??? how were they any different than OSU

and how is OSU not consider a good team right now - they got beat by OU without their best player other than that they won all their games at the end of the season

all OSU does every year is win bowl games

the bcs computers don't kick in for several weeks, and the rankings are based on the year; ole miss in total actually turned out to be a good team this year.
i hadn't been back here since before the ole miss/tt game, which only served to reinforce why fla got in.
i really expected texas tech to win...ooops.

ddthetide · #16 01-02-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

the bcs computers don't kick in for several weeks, and the rankings are based on the year; ole miss in total actually turned out to be a good team this year.
i hadn't been back here since before the ole miss/tt game, which only served to reinforce why fla got in.
i really expected texas tech to win...ooops.

for the second time in 4 yrs tt was shut down by and sec defense.