Islam and the weapon of deception

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

However these things are twisted by the radicals to incite fury in the unknowing masses that they wish to control. The terrorists that blow themselves up are not really the ones who deserve the blame, most are poor, uneducated peasants that live shitty lives and are tricked into believing the lies of the leaders because they have very little hope in their own lives. Regardless of what the Quaran or Bible or any other religious document says the intrprtation can be twisted to mean almost anything. As long as corrupt Islamic govts continue to oppress the people and point the finger at the West there will always be a line of poor, misguided souls that are willing to chance it that the next life will be better than the current one.

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

Of course not.
Do you think peaceful Muslims need to
step and be heard? Because they are not
outside of this country. In fact, in this country
I have yet to hear a recognized Islamic group
stand up and condemn Hamas as the current
conflict continues.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

I would not pose this question, considering that there are lots of wingers out there who love the Japanese internment, and there would actually be lots and lots of support for this from the right, I'm sure.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I would not pose this question, considering that there are lots of wingers out there who love the Japanese internment, and there would actually be lots and lots of support for this from the right, I'm sure.

I don't know any "winger" out there that supported or supports the Japanese internment, and never did I suggest that any Muslims be rounded up. What other wingers do you know,Brian?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I don't know any "winger" out there that supported or supports the Japanese internment, and never did I suggest that any Muslims be rounded up. What other wingers do you know,Brian?

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

Are you talking about her blog?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

Sort of awesome that I can just throw things out there and then disappear and it'll get taken care of all the same...

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Whoa miraja2.....these nutjobs are neo-fascist, white supremacist people!
That's a whole nuther animal than "christian", no matter what they say. These yokels run down the same road as the KKK, except they're more violent, and secretive. I personally feel these people are the worst screed on earth.

Thanks for that, I totally forgot -- when Christians kill in the name of their religion they aren't really Christians. But when Muslims do, dirty brown folks all over the world should be blamed, interned, bombed, maimed, etc, etc to your heart's content.

[timmgirvan]

Try to stay on point,Brian! Not even close to what was said.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Try to stay on point,Brian! Not even close to what was said.

Others here have though...the point is simple really, no major world religion teaches killing and terrorism, folks who are "true" Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc aren't out murdering folks...but many murders do indeed hide behind the cloak of religion and pervert the teachings of said religion to validate their acts. The problem is that while we all defend our beliefs (and rightly so), we are often quick to generalize and condemn others.....Muslims didn't blow up the towers, terrorists did, a Christian didn't blow up the building in Okl City, a terrorist did!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides. Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims. You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.

[Riot]

American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides.

So we should give up on trying to educate people away from racism, hate and fear?

Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims.

Strange, as so many Americans are and have been Muslim, and it's such a common religion here in America.

You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.

So are you saying we should continue to lump all Muslims together as terrorists?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So we should give up on trying to educate people away from racism, hate and fear?



Strange, as so many Americans are and have been Muslim, and it's such a common religion here in America.



So are you saying we should continue to lump all Muslims together as terrorists?

Racism, fear and hate are always going to be here. I'm not saying that attempts shouldnt be made, just that they probably wont be very sucessful as history shows. The % of Americans that are muslims is still quite small and is a long ways from mainstream. I never said we should lump anyone. But the reality of the situation is that things aren't going to change much and probably will get worse as Iran gets more bold in their rhetoric.