Dick Jauron/Turk Schonert/Jets/Dolphins playalong thread

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those are the same dumbass Jet fans who were/are dying for Favre, Cowher, etc. Whatever big name they trick themselves into thinking is the saviour. It pisses me off because these are the morons that Woody feels like he needs to pander to when, in reality, true Jet fans can see through marketing ploys and just want a winner. We'll take a bunch of no-names who win 10+ games ('06) over a bunch of underachieving Pro Bowlers ('08).

If they go get Cassel, I'll be pissed.

Keep this in mind, too... Even though he'll be a free agent the Pats are a very smart organization- they're not going to just let him walk to sign with a division rival if they think he's worth his weight in jockstraps, especially with Brady not progressing as planned. If they do, that speaks volumes.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by philcski

Keep this in mind, too... Even though he'll be a free agent the Pats are a very smart organization- they're not going to just let him walk to sign with a division rival if they think he's worth his weight in jockstraps, especially with Brady not progressing as planned. If they do, that speaks volumes.

That would be cap destruction though phil. Even if the pats thought Casell was worth it, they cant afford to pay a backup QB starter money and starter money is what Casell will get from any other team. They would have no choice but to let him walk.

Casell leaving is a foregone conclusion if there is any interest and it appears there will be...regardless of how misguided that interest may be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

That would be cap destruction though phil. Even if the pats thought Casell was worth it, they cant afford to pay a backup QB starter money and starter money is what Casell will get from any other team. They would have no choice but to let him walk.

Casell leaving is a foregone conclusion if there is any interest and it appears there will be...regardless of how misguided that interest may be.

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

I'm not as down on him as Joey is but I don't see him as the savior. He's got tools and brains which helps a lot but it'll be a huge shock going from Moss/Welker to average receivers for the Jets.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'm not as down on him as Joey is but I don't see him as the savior. He's got tools and brains which helps a lot but it'll be a huge shock going from Moss/Welker to average receivers for the Jets.

I dont buy the Moss/Welker arguement. They had no consistent running game all year. Welker is a good player but hardly a difference maker. He is an excellent slot receiver who gets matched up against the other teams third best corner or a safety. Moss had 11 catches the last 4 games. Cassell was certainly a better QB as the season went on and saying he is garbage is ridiclous. He may not be Johnny U but he is better than what the 49ers, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins or Lions run out there and he is proven to be a lot better than Clemmons. I have no idea how good Ratliff is but the fact no one bothered to draft him gives me an idea. The thing is there are only a few really top QB's and guys like cassell who can run an offense, manage a game and not make mistakes are valauble guys.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont buy the Moss/Welker arguement. They had no consistent running game all year. Welker is a good player but hardly a difference maker. He is an excellent slot receiver who gets matched up against the other teams third best corner or a safety. Moss had 11 catches the last 4 games. Cassell was certainly a better QB as the season went on and saying he is garbage is ridiclous. He may not be Johnny U but he is better than what the 49ers, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins or Lions run out there and he is proven to be a lot better than Clemmons. I have no idea how good Ratliff is but the fact no one bothered to draft him gives me an idea. The thing is there are only a few really top QB's and guys like cassell who can run an offense, manage a game and not make mistakes are valauble guys.

He isnt better than Jeff Garcia. He isnt better than Trent Edwards. He isnt better than Jason Campbell. He is not better than Marc Bulger. He isnt any better than Shaun Hill or Tyler Thigpen.

He has more talent around him than all those guys and he played a much easier schedule.

Game managers are a dime a dozen in the NFL. The problem is that most teams arent good enough running or defensively to win with a game manager. Thats when the expectations change. Thats when coaches get fired.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He isnt better than Jeff Garcia. He isnt better than Trent Edwards. He isnt better than Jason Campbell. He is not better than Marc Bulger. He isnt any better than Shaun Hill or Tyler Thigpen.

He has more talent around him than all those guys and he played a much easier schedule.

Game managers are a dime a dozen in the NFL. The problem is that most teams arent good enough running or defensively to win with a game manager. Thats when the expectations change. Thats when coaches get fired.

He is better than Jeff Garcia 2008 version, he is as good as Trent Edwards and is better than Hill or Thigpen. Campbell stinks, cassell is way better than he is. Maybe you are forgetting that this guy NEVER played in college or the pros because of who he was playing behind. His season considering that fact alone shows his ability, period. Game managers are a dime a dozen? What league do you watch? He played an easier schedule? I understand that he is not a great QB but he played far better than average this season in his first game action ever. He is already pretty good and will get better. Jeff Garcia? Done. Tyler Thigpen? Huh? jason Campbell? Terrible decision maker. Wow.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont buy the Moss/Welker arguement. They had no consistent running game all year. Welker is a good player but hardly a difference maker. He is an excellent slot receiver who gets matched up against the other teams third best corner or a safety. Moss had 11 catches the last 4 games. Cassell was certainly a better QB as the season went on and saying he is garbage is ridiclous. He may not be Johnny U but he is better than what the 49ers, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins or Lions run out there and he is proven to be a lot better than Clemmons. I have no idea how good Ratliff is but the fact no one bothered to draft him gives me an idea. The thing is there are only a few really top QB's and guys like cassell who can run an offense, manage a game and not make mistakes are valauble guys.

Disagree... I think Welker is very much a difference maker. I'd take him on my mythical team in a heartbeat.

Let me ask you this, phins fan- would you rather have Pennington or Cassell taking snaps for your team next year? For my money, it's Pennington in a heartbeat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Disagree... I think Welker is very much a difference maker. I'd take him on my mythical team in a heartbeat.

Let me ask you this, phins fan- would you rather have Pennington or Cassell taking snaps for your team next year? For my money, it's Pennington in a heartbeat.

Pennington but ask me that in a year I may have a different answer. Cassell had a better season than Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco who are far better comparisons. Welker is more of a product of the "system" than the QB. He is still mostly a slot receiver and was hardly a difference maker with Miami though they did screw up in letting him go.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

They could franchise him. But that would be 12 million dollars for a backup QB. Thats 10% of your cap for a guy that you hope doesnt play. I highly doubt the Pats would do that unless they were pretty sure Brady wasnt going to be ready.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They could franchise him. But that would be 12 million dollars for a backup QB. Thats 10% of your cap for a guy that you hope doesnt play. I highly doubt the Pats would do that unless they were pretty sure Brady wasnt going to be ready.

He is not a backup until Brady returns and has proven worth. If Brady makes it back they could trade him for a number one pick or package of picks as opposed to just letting him walk.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is not a backup until Brady returns and has proven worth. If Brady makes it back they could trade him for a number one pick or package of picks as opposed to just letting him walk.

Call him what you will but he isnt a 12 million dollar QB any way you slice it and there is no team in their right mind that is going to trade anywhere close to a number one pick for the right to pay him 12 million dollars next year.

I think the pats would realize that there are cheaper short term alternatives than to pay Cassell that kind of money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Call him what you will but he isnt a 12 million dollar QB any way you slice it and there is no team in their right mind that is going to trade anywhere close to a number one pick for the right to pay him 12 million dollars next year.

I think the pats would realize that there are cheaper short term alternatives than to pay Cassell that kind of money.

We will see

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

Well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444


29 mil of the salary cap will go to the two main QB's on that team. Not sure amazing is the word I'm looking for, but I'll use it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444


29 mil of the salary cap will go to the two main QB's on that team. Not sure amazing is the word I'm looking for, but I'll use it.

looks like i have some words to eat. Cannon and phl were right.

How about incredible Declan?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

looks like i have some words to eat. Cannon and phl were right.

How about incredible Declan?

I was with you on this one Dala. That's an AWFULLY high amount of $$ to be giving someone that will be riding pine. I guess they have it in mind that it's only for 1 year, and if Brady isn't fully recovered, (which history says he wont be) it's a justified move.

[Cannon Shell]

Look for Phil and I to replace Keyshawn and Emmitt next season on NFL countdown...