Thorograph's Promo: Race of the Week-Spectacular Bid

[Pedigree Ann]

R Clear Victory looked good winning at $23.80. Maybe there is something in this gobbledegook after all.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

R Clear Victory looked good winning at $23.80. Maybe there is something in this gobbledegook after all.

Yes he did, both Assmu winners @ AQ helped my bankroll for the start of Gulfstream.
That was a difficult post position to overcome for RCV, (but helped his price) and Stewy Elliott did a good job working out a trip.

[sumitas]

my immediate impression of the race shapes are that brisnet covers that in their pp when they denote the horse's running style . E, EP, P, S. i have always liked the quik sheets to view the horse's race pattern . i focus on that . ideally, comparing the quik sheets to the brisnet pp is the best way to go for those big days . those t-graphs are pricey.

[Kasept]

Thoro-Graph Race of the Week is the Spectacular Bid:
http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20090...px0103r_09.pdf

This gives you a written analysis weekly of a stakes race with full page style TG sheet of each horse and the abbreviated style. The comments, usually done by TG's Alan Benewitz, will help novices understand the concept of pattern recognition.

We can discuss the ROTW here weekly if people are interested...

[TheSpyder]

Now I understand why you're up at 4am. Just kidding, very interesting stuff and a lot of it.

What does a square on the running line mean instead of a number? Could not find that info?

Thanks Steve.

Spyder

Originally Posted by Kasept

Thoro-Graph Race of the Week is the Spectacular Bid:
http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20090...px0103r_09.pdf

This gives you a written analysis weekly of a stakes race with full page style TG sheet of each horse and the abbreviated style. The comments, usually done by TG's Alan Benewitz, will help novices understand the concept of pattern recognition.

We can discuss the ROTW here weekly if people are interested...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Now I understand why you're up at 4am. Just kidding, very interesting stuff and a lot of it.

What does a square on the running line mean instead of a number? Could not find that info?

Thanks Steve.

Spyder

Spydee,

The box/square means not enough info is available to make a figure.. Frequently seen with 2yo's or from days where there were significant changes in the track. Rather than publish a potentially inaccurate fig, TG will wait until some horses run back from a race to get a better read on what the number should be from the inconclusive race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Spydee,

The box/square means not enough info is available to make a figure.. Frequently seen with 2yo's or from days where there were significant changes in the track. Rather than publish a potentially inaccurate fig, TG will wait until some horses run back from a race to get a better read on what the number should be from the inconclusive race.

hard to believe that Rampillions first race still doesnt have a number

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Thoro-Graph Race of the Week is the Spectacular Bid:
http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20090...px0103r_09.pdf

This gives you a written analysis weekly of a stakes race with full page style TG sheet of each horse and the abbreviated style. The comments, usually done by TG's Alan Benewitz, will help novices understand the concept of pattern recognition.

We can discuss the ROTW here weekly if people are interested...

One thing I really like about Thorograph is I can see when a horse might be set up to run a new top big race, and with 2yo's and newly turned 3yo's that's much more important than with older horses. Silent Valor is NOT that horse at 2-1 and worth a bet against. His consistent 6-7's look like a horse that just isn't that fast and has limited upside. It's going to take better than a 5 or 6 that he figures to run to win this race.

You Luckie Mann has certainly run races that would win here but it concerns me that he regressed significantly going 7f with no apparent excuse versus his big figs at 5.5f. Again, not a runner I'd take a short price on, but a must use in multirace bets.

I like Jazzandthemagician at 6-1 or higher, which I expect him to be. His paired 9's aren't fast enough obviously, but the sprint-route pair then back to sprint with young horses is a pattern I've noticed often produces a top result. Plus, given the time off and some nice works he could jump up at a price. To be clear, I'm not big on the patterns in general.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by sumitas

my immediate impression of the race shapes are that brisnet covers that in their pp when they denote the horse's running style . E, EP, P, S. i have always liked the quik sheets to view the horse's race pattern . i focus on that . ideally, comparing the quik sheets to the brisnet pp is the best way to go for those big days . those t-graphs are pricey.

I use Bris PPs also, but I don't trust their assignment of styles with E, etc because they never seem to re-assess. So often if a horse goes up with with the leaders on a slow pace (especially if in its debut), it can get an E assignment, even if it runs from mid-pack in its next 15 races. And some horses who sit behing the pace in sprints (P) can become a front-runner around two turns. After I analyse the horses individually, I use the pace figures to try to find out who will run where during the race. See if there is lone speed or if a 'ton o' speed' melt-down is likely.