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Old 12-23-2008, 04:55 PM
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they can and will spend all they want .and still miss the playoffs.. too many stars in the line up means that if the team isnt a team..remember their is no 'i' in team..it will implode..
The biggest spender rarely wins it all. I'll gander a guess and say they make it to October, but fall short of the ultimate goal. I say this only because I hate Hank.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:05 PM
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Teix had 1 rbi in that post. K, so fk that signing. It's stupid. You don't have to be that smart to see that a guy getting 1 rbi in the post is not the best signing for the purposes of getting a ring. I don't get it. I don't fear him in the post. I know who to fear in the post(ain't him.)
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:48 PM
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Teix had 1 rbi in that post. K, so fk that signing. It's stupid. You don't have to be that smart to see that a guy getting 1 rbi in the post is not the best signing for the purposes of getting a ring. I don't get it. I don't fear him in the post. I know who to fear in the post(ain't him.)
He hit .467 tardo. RBI's are a terribly overrated stat simply because it is heavily tilted towards the ability of the men ahead of you in the order getting on base rather than your ability to drive them in. If no one is on when you get hits you cant get rbi's
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:31 PM
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It was one series, but Tex and Hunter were the only guys consistently on base in that series for the Angels.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:14 PM
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I hate the Yankees but wish my team would make the effort that they do. They have awful deep pockets. I doubt that the Yanks will spend $$$ on Manny now but stranger things have happened.

Yankees will make the playoffs unless both Burnett and Sabathia tank which is not too likely.
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Old 12-23-2008, 09:30 PM
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It was one series, but Tex and Hunter were the only guys consistently on base in that series for the Angels.
6 times he had a chance to get a hit with men in scoring position. Didn't do it. 4 outs, a non-run-scoring walk, and a sac fly. When did he hit? He got singles n' walks with nobody on base, or with a runner on 1st base. He seems to be a good person, but that's causing people to overlook some things about him. If the goal is just to make the post, then o.k. I don't think he is ever gunna carry a team in the playoffs. For some reason, people must think he will. We have 20 at bats against Boston without an extra- base hit. To me, it's atleast 80 mil over his worth. I've never said anything about him, because he seems to be a decent person, and people like him. He had a great regular season, and a non-impactful post season. I'd look for a lil less productive regular season, and another non-impactful post season.

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:08 PM
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6 times he had a chance to get a hit with men in scoring position. Didn't do it. 4 outs, a non-run-scoring walk, and a sac fly. When did he hit? He got singles n' walks with nobody on base, or with a runner on 1st base. He seems to be a good person, but that's causing people to overlook some things about him. If the goal is just to make the post, then o.k. I don't think he is ever gunna carry a team in the playoffs. For some reason, people must think he will. We have 20 at bats against Boston without an extra- base hit. To me, it's atleast 80 mil over his worth. I've never said anything about him, because he seems to be a decent person, and people like him. He had a great regular season, and a non-impactful post season. I'd look for a lil less productive regular season, and another non-impactful post season.
He is still better than Garvey
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:58 PM
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Hal and Hank just don't understand. You don't spend that kind of money on pitching and then back it up with no defense.

Texiera is a good defensive first baseman and Arod is a gifted infielder playing out of position at third. Only the Yankees could have their two best defensive players playing at the positions where you probably need defense the least.

This is a terribly constructed team. Im a fan but this will end up very badly in regard to expectation. Its nice that the Steinbrenners want to spend the money but these rent a team championships rarely work. Only Florida in 1997 and Arizona in 2001 come to mind as teams that succeeded winning this way but those teams bought a little defense along the way.

Carlos Beltran would have signed for 15 million per in 2005. That seems like a serious bargain now. Now backing up our 25 million per pitcher we have a 33 yr old short stop, a 37 year old catcher, and an outfield that averages about 35 years old. And when our 292 pound pitcher loses wind in the 7th, we dont know who is going to pitch the 8th to get to our 37 year old closer.

Yes...some how this makes sense.
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Old 12-24-2008, 04:06 AM
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He is still better than Garvey

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200811103672827

Wow...look at the last quarter of that interview. LOL, Irish American Hall of Fame? He still thinks oldtimers might put him in the real one? Just turned 60, and still does public appearances at Hooters sometimes ..LOL.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:29 PM
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He hit .467 tardo. RBI's are a terribly overrated stat simply because it is heavily tilted towards the ability of the men ahead of you in the order getting on base rather than your ability to drive them in. If no one is on when you get hits you cant get rbi's
Well, if a guy is on 1st base, you can't get an rbi with a single. That's what I am saying. You need extra base hits to score a guy from 1st. You're gunna pay this much money for a guy who had no extra-base hits in 20 at bats against Boston? His sole rbi was on a sac fly. Look how many times there is a guy on 1st, and Tex singled(extra base hit could of given team a chance for a run.) Look how many times in this series Tex gets a single, and Guerrero follows with a single. Those would have been run scoring situations if Tex had doubled. Here are his at bats with runners in scoring position:

game 2: guy at 3rd with 1 out...Tex gets Sac Fly(only RBI of the series)

game 3: guy at 3rd with 1 out...Tex strikes out(so clutch indeed)

game 3: runners on 1st n' 2nd with 2 outs..Tex grounds out(so clutch indeed)

game 3: runners on 1st n' 3rd with 2 outs: Tex grounds out(so clutch indeed)

game 4: runner on 2nd base with 2 outs..Tex walks(single would have been clutch..it's his job to get that run home..not leading is he?)

game 4: runners on 1st n' 3rd with 2 outs.....Tex struck out(so clutch..go home, watch others play )

So, you geniuses are paying all this cash to a guy who didn't get an extra base hit in the series. He only got 1 rbi in the series, and the reason for that is not as Canon tried to Snow you with(lack of opportunities.) No, the reason is because he came up with runners in scoring position 6 times, and failed to get them home in 5 of those 6 chances. He did not get a hit at all when runners were in scoring position. You can say he hit for a good average in the series, but he was not impactful. Can he be impactful in the post? I have never seen this guy as a clutch leader. If someone else leads, I think he may relax enough to pile on. So, if you want this contract to get the Yanks a ring, then you need an offensive post-season leader(ain't him.)
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:52 PM
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He hit .467 tardo. RBI's are a terribly overrated stat simply because it is heavily tilted towards the ability of the men ahead of you in the order getting on base rather than your ability to drive them in. If no one is on when you get hits you cant get rbi's
In game 1, Andersen, Tex, and Guerrero hit .500(2 for 4,) and Hunter hit .666(2 for 3.) They got 1 run in the whole game. Why? Well, all 8 hits were singles. K? No extra base hits. Good way to lose in the post is to have your highly paid power hitters hit like your lead-off hitters.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:38 PM
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He hit .467 tardo. RBI's are a terribly overrated stat simply because it is heavily tilted towards the ability of the men ahead of you in the order getting on base rather than your ability to drive them in. If no one is on when you get hits you cant get rbi's
.......its not worth responding when there are fools that cant see this guy is a monster
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Old 12-24-2008, 02:03 PM
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Brewers really got hosed. The loss of Sabathia got them the Yankees first round pick. But Teixeira is higher ranked on the Type A free agent list than Sabathia so the Angels now get the Yankees first round pick. The Brewers get their second round pick which will wind up being about 50 picks lower with all the sandwich picks between the 1st and 2nd rounds. And if the Brewers were to go out and sign a Type A of their own like Juan Cruz they will lose their own first round pick. Real fair system where losing Sabathia and signing Cruz knocks you completely out of the first round.

And the Blue Jays now get bumped down to the Yankees third round pick for losing Burnett, a guy they thought they'd get a first rounder for losing. At this point it actually makes sense for the Yankees to sign more Type A free agents since at this point they would only lose a 4th round pick.
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Old 12-24-2008, 03:33 PM
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Brewers deserved to get screwed in the first place for hiring the fat hired gun for a half season for their playoff push.

Much the same situation for the Angels and Tex.

If you get a bigtimer for a half season or less you should make a commitment to hang for the long term.

No doubt baseball economics really sucks! But look at our real life economic situation.......

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Old 12-24-2008, 04:13 PM
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Brewers deserved to get screwed in the first place for hiring the fat hired gun for a half season for their playoff push.

Much the same situation for the Angels and Tex.

If you get a bigtimer for a half season or less you should make a commitment to hang for the long term.

No doubt baseball economics really sucks! But look at our real life economic situation.......
This is the dumbest statement I have seen this year. And I have seen some real winners...
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Old 12-24-2008, 04:18 PM
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Brewers really got hosed. The loss of Sabathia got them the Yankees first round pick. But Teixeira is higher ranked on the Type A free agent list than Sabathia so the Angels now get the Yankees first round pick. The Brewers get their second round pick which will wind up being about 50 picks lower with all the sandwich picks between the 1st and 2nd rounds. And if the Brewers were to go out and sign a Type A of their own like Juan Cruz they will lose their own first round pick. Real fair system where losing Sabathia and signing Cruz knocks you completely out of the first round.

And the Blue Jays now get bumped down to the Yankees third round pick for losing Burnett, a guy they thought they'd get a first rounder for losing. At this point it actually makes sense for the Yankees to sign more Type A free agents since at this point they would only lose a 4th round pick.
Though all the teams that lose type A's do get a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for each type A they lose.
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Old 12-24-2008, 04:30 PM
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Though all the teams that lose type A's do get a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for each type A they lose.
True but it's just a silly system where the Yanks could go out and sign Oliver Perez and the Mets get a 4th round pick for it while the Red Sox could sign him and the Mets get a 1st rounder. At least add an extra sandwich pick for a team instead of moving the picks down to the 2nd to 4th rounds.
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