way to go fins..

Cannon Shell · #1 12-22-2008, 12:41 PM

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I agree the QB situation is scary at best. I was talking to a friend last night about it. If Favre retires, the jets will need to go out and get a new QB. Clemens is a season or two away from being an arena league QB. he's not an NFL starter. i just don't know if the Jets are 9-6 at this point in the year without Favre there. He might not have carried the team, but his play hasn't been that bad.

I think the arena league went under so Clemons is really screwed

NTamm1215 · #2 12-22-2008, 12:49 PM

The Jets-Dolphins game has been flexed to 4:15 PM EST by the way.

As far as the Texans, the offensive line has been considerably better this year. Of course, when the unit you're discussing is as bad as the Texans' O-Line has been, even a modicum of improvement is noteworthy.

The Texans need to get tougher on defense and that will come with the addition of someone in the secondary. They have lacked a good, tough safety for the life of the franchise and yesterday Oakland exposed that weakness. Yes, good God, Oakland threw the ball effectively all game long.

Slaton was a terrific pick-up where they got him in the draft and he has paid many more dividends than first-round pick Duane Brown. A complement to Slaton at RB a la Le' Ron McClain or someone with size would be helpful. Slaton has held up very well but at his size I'm concerned about his durability.

The Texans should be considered a contender next year but the problem remains that even at their best they are the #3 team in their division. Next year's schedule will include the juggernaut that is the NFC West, so visits to Arizona and St. Louis will be joined by home games against San Francisco and Seattle. All in all, the Texans should be much better next year.

NT

Antitrust32 · #3 12-22-2008, 01:03 PM

Favre & McNabb = the two most ovahrated QB's evah!

MaTH716 · #4 12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

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Favre & McNabb = the two most ovahrated QB's evah!

I personally disagree with both. As far as McNabb goes, in my opinion the Eagles organization has done an extremely poor job of giving him the weapons he's needed. He had a stud (whether you like him or not) WR one year and they ended up going to the Super Bowl. The cast of recievers he has had since he's been there is laughable, Freddie Mitchell come on! Even Desean Jackson, has upside but doesn't exactly send fear into eyes (huge drop yesterday). I think Mcnabb is a warrior and comes to play every week. He hasn't been loved by alot of people since day one and seems to be the focus/target when things go wrong. I know the Cincy game didn't help his standing there either. I always say the key to beating the birds is stopping Westbrook, that's because McNabb doesn't have anyone else to throw to.

I will leave the Farve defense to the resident Packer fans.
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Antitrust32 · #5 12-22-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I personally disagree with both. As far as McNabb goes, in my opinion the Eagles organization has done an extremely poor job of giving him the weapons he's needed. He had a stud (whether you like him or not) WR one year and they ended up going to the Super Bowl. The cast of recievers he has had since he's been there is laughable, Freddie Mitchell come on! Even Desean Jackson, has upside but doesn't exactly send fear into eyes (huge drop yesterday). I think Mcnabb is a warrior and comes to play every week. He hasn't been loved by alot of people since day one and seems to be the focus/target when things go wrong. I know the Cincy game didn't help his standing there either. I always say the key to beating the birds is stopping Westbrook, that's because McNabb doesn't have anyone else to throw to.

I will leave the Farve defense to the resident Packer fans.
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while they are both skilled at their position.... mcnabb and favre have always been very hot or cold... and are not consistant. They both make a lot of dumb throws.

At least Favre has it in him to win the big game... (SB obviously), McNabb RARELY plays well in a real big game.

Back when the Eagles were making runs every year... the defense was absolutely stacked. People give McNabb too much credit.. the Eagles were a better team with Garcia under center and they looked real good with Feely too.

Cannon Shell · #6 12-22-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Jets-Dolphins game has been flexed to 4:15 PM EST by the way.

As far as the Texans, the offensive line has been considerably better this year. Of course, when the unit you're discussing is as bad as the Texans' O-Line has been, even a modicum of improvement is noteworthy.

The Texans need to get tougher on defense and that will come with the addition of someone in the secondary. They have lacked a good, tough safety for the life of the franchise and yesterday Oakland exposed that weakness. Yes, good God, Oakland threw the ball effectively all game long.

Slaton was a terrific pick-up where they got him in the draft and he has paid many more dividends than first-round pick Duane Brown. A complement to Slaton at RB a la Le' Ron McClain or someone with size would be helpful. Slaton has held up very well but at his size I'm concerned about his durability.

The Texans should be considered a contender next year but the problem remains that even at their best they are the #3 team in their division. Next year's schedule will include the juggernaut that is the NFC West, so visits to Arizona and St. Louis will be joined by home games against San Francisco and Seattle. All in all, the Texans should be much better next year.

NT

homer

MaTH716 · #7 12-22-2008, 01:08 PM

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NFL Europe?

Like the Titanic!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

Cannon Shell · #8 12-22-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

NFL Europe?

no mas either

hoovesupsideyourhead · #9 12-22-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

no mas either

cfl..oh canada..

Cannon Shell · #10 12-22-2008, 02:20 PM

Dolphin fans are also better looking than Jets fans

ateamstupid · #11 12-22-2008, 04:54 PM

I'm holding out hope that Tannenbaum isn't dumb enough to go after that piece of trash Matt Cassel. Talk about a sucker move. Signing him to a big contract would be akin to betting Music Note at 1-9 in the BC Classic after her only competition scratched in the Gazelle. There's a reason the guy hadn't started a game since high school, and you could put Chuck behind that O-Line with Moss and Welker and he'd look like Dan freaking Fouts.

As an aside, the Jets leading the league with seven Pro Bowlers may be the final blow for Mangini if they can't sneak into the playoffs. I think he's a decent coach, but he's not good enough to make up for two lackluster coordinators. I'd like to see Romeo replace Sutton and Callahan promoted to OC, then Mangini get one more year to do something significant. The QB situation will be a mess (tell Favre to take a hike), but if we can suss out a gamebreaking WR in the draft, build some O-Line depth and shore up the secondary, I don't think we'll need Johnny U. back there to contend next year.

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 12-22-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm holding out hope that Tannenbaum isn't dumb enough to go after that piece of trash Matt Cassel. Talk about a sucker move. Signing him to a big contract would be akin to betting Music Note at 1-9 in the BC Classic after her only competition scratched in the Gazelle. There's a reason the guy hadn't started a game since high school, and you could put Chuck behind that O-Line with Moss and Welkerand he'd look like Dan freaking Fouts.

You haven't seen how that O-line pass blocks when teams can rush up the middle. Cassell has been sacked 46 times this year! It's a big function of defenses playing copy-cat and using the Giants brilliant strategy in the super bowl of rushing their DE's against the Pats guards and blizing right up the middle.

I think Wes Welker will prove to be an absolutley tremendous bust when he leaves NE for more money ...

He was undrafted and he's already had two different teams basically give him away.

Welker benefits as much or more than anyone in a Moss offense. Basically, Welker is a gritty little guy who is VERY tough to defend in space.

When you're running a spread offense and you constantly have a corner jamming Moss with a safety always playing deep and rolling to him ... you are going to have all kinds of room for Welker to work with. He's basically just a 3rd down reciever for any other team...and even with Moss, he's not a guy that will score many TD's because the field tightens up inside the red zone.

The Patriots are the #1 ranked point scoring offense in the AFC right now and they are 4th in the NFL in yards. This would be the 8th time in the 11 years of Moss that his offense was top 5 in the NFL in those offensive categories. Tom Brady has played on a GRAND TOTAL of just one offense ('07) that finished in the top 5 in the NFL in yards.

In a Moss offensive anyone can look great playing QB, RB, and WR - just so long as the O-line can pass block. The Raiders opted not to run a spread style offense and they had the worst pass blocking O-line in NFL history, if you can't block the whole Moss offense goes entirely up in smoke.

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 12-22-2008, 05:56 PM

I am praying for your Jets to win one for the Pats on Sunday Hossy.

Although - the one defense in the NFL that has always been best made to handle a Moss offense is the Baltimore Ravens .. and that is who the Pats would get in the wildcard.

Tough physical corners, an amazing safety like Ed Reed who covers a ton of field ... something that is very key from the safety position against a Moss offense.

You also have great linebackers and DE's on that team. Matt Cassell won't look like boy wonder in that one.

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 12-22-2008, 06:07 PM

Roll your eyes all you want.

When Brady won his 3 Super Bowls .. he had the NFL's #1 ranked defense, #2 ranked defense, and #6 ranked defense in fewest points allowed.

It shows you how massively overrated winning Super Bowls are. Brady wasn't playing defense. Moss has played on teams with total swiss cheese defenses in 9 of his 11 years in the NFL. And this years defense is close to being swiss with all the injuries. He would have about 8 rings right now if he had the '03 and '04 Pats defense all these years.

Does anyone even remember how bad some of those Viking defenses were back in the day!?

Cannon Shell · #15 12-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm holding out hope that Tannenbaum isn't dumb enough to go after that piece of trash Matt Cassel. Talk about a sucker move. Signing him to a big contract would be akin to betting Music Note at 1-9 in the BC Classic after her only competition scratched in the Gazelle. There's a reason the guy hadn't started a game since high school, and you could put Chuck behind that O-Line with Moss and Welker and he'd look like Dan freaking Fouts.

As an aside, the Jets leading the league with seven Pro Bowlers may be the final blow for Mangini if they can't sneak into the playoffs. I think he's a decent coach, but he's not good enough to make up for two lackluster coordinators. I'd like to see Romeo replace Sutton and Callahan promoted to OC, then Mangini get one more year to do something significant. The QB situation will be a mess (tell Favre to take a hike), but if we can suss out a gamebreaking WR in the draft, build some O-Line depth and shore up the secondary, I don't think we'll need Johnny U. back there to contend next year.

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