Jockey Club Gold Cup

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They both start with a W. What do you expect? LOL

Invasor will be exposed. A good horse that isnt going to be anywhere near the lights come bc time.

I'm not sold on Invasor either. Especially after his last race. Barely beating Sun King dampened my enthusiam for him a lot. But he could still run very well in the BC and just get beaten by three better horses in Discreet Cat, Bernardini, and Lava Man. I don't think that would expose him just show that there are better horses.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Imo, it doesn't really matter who goes in the JCGC unless it is Bernardini, Invasor or Lava Man because if Invasor and Lava Man don't show up, then Bernardini will just win in a romp as usual.

[Danzig]

well, lava man isn't going to be there. one more race and then to churchill to get acclimated.

also, keep in mind that invasor, unlike many other horses past and present, ran in dubai and hasn't taken much time off since...i'm sure a close race can be forgiven, he's going to have lesser efforts--yet still a win! so much for the jinx of running in dubai and missing all year. he hasn't lost since that race to discreet cat, who just came back friday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Imo, it doesn't really matter who goes in the JCGC unless it is Bernardini, Invasor or Lava Man because if Invasor and Lava Man don't show up, then Bernardini will just win in a romp as usual.

that is so strange, i remember reading similar statements a year ago about flower alley....

altho i will grant you that bernardini doesn't seem to be a flower alley.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

that is so strange, i remember reading similar statements a year ago about flower alley....

altho i will grant you that bernardini doesn't seem to be a flower alley.

Flower Alley had an excuse and he clearly made up for it in the BCC.

[Gander]

No Bernardini is clearly not comprable to Flower Alley. Please dont confuse the two. Nothing against Flower Alley and I truly hope he comes back and restablishes himself as a prominent 4 year old, but Berardini is simply amazing. Horses like this come around once a twice per decade. Reminds me of Ghostzapper with his versatility and the way he just laughs at the other horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

No Bernardini is clearly not comprable to Flower Alley. Please dont confuse the two. Nothing against Flower Alley and I truly hope he comes back and restablishes himself as a prominent 4 year old, but Berardini is simply amazing. Horses like this come around once a twice per decade. Reminds me of Ghostzapper with his versatility and the way he just laughs at the other horses.

lol don't get me wrong, you'd have to be on crack to confuse the two!

he's a beauty. makes it look easy as pie. but i like him more than i ever liked ghostzapper. at least he's run more times in a year than i have fingers on one hand...

i'm getting ahead of myself, but i'm hoping he can carry on the legend at stud from his sire and grandsire. no doubt he will be given every opportunity. his owner has the sheer drive, and the funds to back it up.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol don't get me wrong, you'd have to be on crack to confuse the two!

he's a beauty. makes it look easy as pie. but i like him more than i ever liked ghostzapper. at least he's run more times in a year than i have fingers on one hand...

i'm getting ahead of myself, but i'm hoping he can carry on the legend at stud from his sire and grandsire. no doubt he will be given every opportunity. his owner has the sheer drive, and the funds to back it up.

In May, 2002 at the time of Seattle Slew's passing, Dan Rosenberg of Three Chimneys Farm said that the name of the great Slew would live on and on through his amazing line. I think he was right and we are really seeing it through his best son at stud A.P. Indy. Bernardini could be another one great on the track and great in the breeding shed.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

No Bernardini is clearly not comprable to Flower Alley. Please dont confuse the two. Nothing against Flower Alley and I truly hope he comes back and restablishes himself as a prominent 4 year old, but Berardini is simply amazing. Horses like this come around once a twice per decade. Reminds me of Ghostzapper with his versatility and the way he just laughs at the other horses.

I'm so glad you've come around Gander.

[Gander]

Sometimes it takes me awhile but I usually see the light, LOL!
All those many months I was not appreciating Ghostzapper. It was mainly because he didnt run enough but it was for important reasons.

Hopefully I will see you before you hit the road, but if I dont, safe travels and it was nice talking to you during the meet. I will be at Bel on Oct 7th, 100% chance. Peace.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Flower Alley had an excuse and he clearly made up for it in the BCC.

yeah, i know. got him the eclipse...oh wait, no it didn't....but it lead to bigger and better this year....oh wait...


i wonder if the bc winners lists will have an * and show that flower alley finished second last year....cause none of the other years lists show who ran second.

[Gander]

I completely agree with your point Danzig. I have never heard so much credit given for a 2nd place finish in my life than Flower Alley got in the BC. He wasnt even close to threatening the winner. Nice effort but lets not get carried away. He didnt lose a close photo and he lost! Sure he was 3 against older horses but he lost while never threatening Saint Liam.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Gander

I completely agree with your point Danzig. I have never heard so much credit given for a 2nd place finish in my life than Flower Alley got in the BC. He wasnt even close to threatening the winner. Nice effort but lets not get carried away. He didnt lose a close photo and he lost! Sure he was 3 against older horses but he lost while never threatening Saint Liam.

How about Roses in May who was , not threatning 2nd, beaten favorite in the Donn and then went off the even money favorite in the Dubai world cup. I'm not all gung ho on Flower Alley but I think he's far from an untalented horse and I'm taking a wait and see approach regarding his next race.

At this point comparing Bernardini to Ghostzapper is laughable. GZ was clearly a fragile horse but he ran against everything out there. And won. Bernardini has not even faced older horses. He has faced the depleted 3 yo field. Where are the top 3 yo's from the TC races? He has not faced them. They are gone or injured. He looks like a great horse. But no way can he be compared to GZ at this point. No way from a race standpoint. You can always say he looks better. Thats easy. And he does look fantastic.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah, i know. got him the eclipse...oh wait, no it didn't....but it lead to bigger and better this year....oh wait...


i wonder if the bc winners lists will have an * and show that flower alley finished second last year....cause none of the other years lists show who ran second.

You know what I mean. We have already discussed in the Barbaro (The Champ) thread how Bernardini is much better at this stage of the game than Flower Alley was last year at this stage of the game. There is no comparison.

Also, Flower Alley obviously has an injury that is hindering him this year due to his performance in his last start and the fact that he started so late this year. He may not be a world beater, but I due believe that he is a classy enough animal to win a Grade I win he fires. He just hasn't been firing lately. I hope TP can get him straight. It is a similar situation to LITF.

Flower Alley's race in the BCC was darn good for a three year old against a horse that was able to challenge GZ.