Barbaro (the Champ)

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It's not a knock on the ability of Barbaro. I think he was a really good horse also. I just think Bernardini is in a different league. I could be wrong though. I think Bernardini has been one-upping Barbaro from the start though. I know it's only one way of measuring things but look at the Beyer's for the two horses. In his final TC prep, Barbaro got a 103 in the Florida Derby. Bernardini got a 104 in the Withers. Barbaro breaks out with a career high 111 in the Derby. Bernardini gets a 113 in the Preakness. Think about that for a second here. As awesome as Barbaro was in winning the Derby, he would have had to come up with an even better performance figurewise in order to have beaten Bernardini that day. Could he have done it? Nobody knows but I believe that Bernardini wins that race even if Barbaro doesn't break down. Bernardini comes back with a 114 in the Jim Dandy and a 116 in the Travers. That's now three races in a row that he's bested Barbaro's career best. Career average Beyer....Barbaro 96.8, Bernardini 100.8 How about using Bluegrass Cat as a measuring stick. Barbaro beats him by 6 1/2 at 10f. Bernardini beat him by 7 1/2. This is supposedly when Bluegrass Cat is a much improved horse.

It's entirely possible that Barbaro wasn't at his peak and could have improved even more. I don't know if that's true or not but what I do believe IS true is that Barbaro would have HAD to improve more to reach the level that Bernardini is at now. And Bernardini still hasn't even been asked to run.

Although beyers are a useful tool, I'm not big on them. I'd rather look at the sheets. I'll agree to disagree with you... I'm not sold on Bernardini yet.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Although beyers are a useful tool, I'm not big on them. I'd rather look at the sheets. I'll agree to disagree with you... I'm not sold on Bernardini yet.

What does he need to do for you to be sold? I dont get it. The horse is a multiple Grade I winner. Won two of the four most prestigious races for 3 year olds and he did it in convincing fashion. What else does he need to do!!!!!!!

I am sorry guys, but if Bernardini goes on and either wins one of his last two races or finishes a strong second in both of them then he is the 3 year old champ and he deserves it. Barbaro is awesome and had a remarkable career, but he did not do enough to win the award if Bernardini does the above. I feel his races trumps what Barbaro did. No sharing of the awards, Barbaro deserves to be the winner, but Bernardini deserves it more.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am sorry guys, but if Bernardini goes on and either wins one of his last two races or finishes a strong second in both of them then he is the 3 year old champ and he deserves it. Barbaro is awesome and had a remarkable career, but he did not do enough to win the award if Bernardini does the above. I feel his races trumps what Barbaro did. No sharing of the awards, Barbaro deserves to be the winner, but Bernardini deserves it more.

this thread is like a dog chasing it's tail. i haven't seen yet where anyone disagreed with the above. it's all been about 'right now' which is pointless anyway, since the awards aren't voted for right now! lol

it's like everyone is arguing, but everyone is essentially on the same side.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What does he need to do for you to be sold? I dont get it. The horse is a multiple Grade I winner. Won two of the four most prestigious races for 3 year olds and he did it in convincing fashion. What else does he need to do!!!!!!!

I want him to beat more than 4 or 5 horses at a time, Euro! Geesh... why does it matter to you what I think about him? If I had put my appendix QH in a race against 5 miniature horses and he won in a convincing fashion, would I be proclaiming him the next best thing? Nope...

For me to say he's a great horse, I want to see him win against all odds. He's had nothing but a perfect set up every time he's raced. I'm sorry if I'm not so quick to jump on the same bandwagon that you did.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I want him to beat more than 4 or 5 horses at a time, Euro! Geesh... why does it matter to you what I think about him? If I had put my appendix QH in a race against 5 miniature horses and he won in a convincing fashion, would I be proclaiming him the next best thing? Nope...

For me to say he's a great horse, I want to see him win against all odds. He's had nothing but a perfect set up every time he's raced. I'm sorry if I'm not so quick to jump on the same bandwagon that you did.

It isnt Bern's fault that no one shows up for his races. And it seems he races are easy because he dictates what is going on in the race. He doesn't let other horses tell him how the race is going to be run. A horse not only can dominate by winning by a large margin, they also can dominate by controlling the race. This is what Bern does.