Joel Rosario

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dala, this isn't one of your better efforts. But, you've really lost it with this statement: But yet Champs needed a perfect trip to beat a horse that hadnt won in two years???????????

That makes a TON of sense. Of course, nothing new there...

Yes, he did. Did you see the race yesterday? You yourself said you think going outside probably cost Obrigado 3 lengths. He was beat about a half.

I'd stick to bridgejumping discussions up here....just a thought.

Dude....I owe you an apology. I cant believe you carried this on for so long. My point was that Rosario made a bad decision. Apparently Rosario has a huge fan base on here and his followers will have none of this criticism. I read some of the responses from this Dalakahni person. It's like arguing with a 7 yr old. This person changes his/her tune every post. I personally like the "horse lost because it was 23-1" comment. IMHO.....the owners of Obrigado should not be racing this animal.....think of all the money they could make with a horse that can read the DRF?

Also was Winchester drifting out..or in...or out ...or in?

Rosario isnt a BAD jock....he just made a bad decision which cost him and the connections a Grade I. He will continue to win the non pretigious races in So Cal.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Dude....I owe you an apology. I cant believe you carried this on for so long. My point was that Rosario made a bad decision. Apparently Rosario has a huge fan base on here and his followers will have none of this criticism. I read some of the responses from this Dalakahni person. It's like arguing with a 7 yr old. This person changes his/her tune every post. I personally like the "horse lost because it was 23-1" comment. IMHO.....the owners of Obrigado should not be racing this animal.....think of all the money they could make with a horse that can read the DRF?

Also was Winchester drifting out..or in...or out ...or in?

Rosario isnt a BAD jock....he just made a bad decision which cost him and the connections a Grade I. He will continue to win the non pretigious races in So Cal.

And you got to make it personal with the needless insult?

I didnt say anything about drifting, hossy did.

How has my tune changed? Ive stayed consistent. It seems you read like you watch a race and i cant be blamed for either of those deficiencies.

What an intense wonderful debate. I love it when true fans trade blows in a respectful way talking about our game and Grade 1 races.

Joel rode Obrigado as he was instructed to.

We're thrilled with a 5 win day and 2nd in a Grade 1 for a great trainer.

Hopefully he'll continue to get opportunities to ride great horses for great connections.

Fabulous thread.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What an intense wonderful debate. I love it when true fans trade blows in a respectful way talking about our game and Grade 1 races.

Joel rode Obrigado as he was instructed to.We're thrilled with a 5 win day and 2nd in a Grade 1 for a great trainer.

Hopefully he'll continue to get opportunities to ride great horses for great connections.

Fabulous thread.

and here i thought this would be the last words on the subject. silly me.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What an intense wonderful debate. I love it when true fans trade blows in a respectful way talking about our game and Grade 1 races.

Joel rode Obrigado as he was instructed to.

We're thrilled with a 5 win day and 2nd in a Grade 1 for a great trainer.

Hopefully he'll continue to get opportunities to ride great horses for great connections.

Fabulous thread.

Anytime Vic. 5 wins is nice. But too bad he didnt win the big race. His move on the turn cost the horse the race....but hopefully you will go over the race with him and point out his mistake and make him a better jockey.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Anytime Vic. 5 wins is nice. But too bad he didnt win the big race. His move on the turn cost the horse the race....but hopefully you will go over the race with him and point out his mistake and make him a better jockey.

He just said he was riding to instructions. Do you need that translated to braile or swahili as well?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He just said he was riding to instructions. Do you need that translated to braile or swahili as well?

Man are you ignorant. What were his instructions? "Lose ground on the far turn and open up rail for the eventual winner". If so he followed them perfectly.

Any person with two functioning eyes in their head can see that Rosario made the wrong choice and went wide instead of holding position inside with a dying horse in 2nd. There was plenty of room to stay on the rail.

Very simple case here...Rosario stays inside..Obrigado gets a Grade I win. He didnt and handed the race to Valdivia. Watch the finish..Obrigado still had a ton of horse even after going wide...he was the best horse Saturday.

Just because the agent of the jock said it was a good ride doesnt mean it was. What is he gonna say. My jock screwed up.

IF VS thinks that Rosario did the right thing on the turn and didnt cost his horse the win then maybe perhaps he should stick to announcing.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Man are you ignorant. What were his instructions? "Lose ground on the far turn and open up rail for the eventual winner". If so he followed them perfectly.

Any person with two functioning eyes in their head can see that Rosario made the wrong choice and went wide instead of holding position inside with a dying horse in 2nd. There was plenty of room to stay on the rail.

Very simple case here...Rosario stays inside..Obrigado gets a Grade I win. He didnt and handed the race to Valdivia. Watch the finish..Obrigado still had a ton of horse even after going wide...he was the best horse Saturday.

Just because the agent of the jock said it was a good ride doesnt mean it was. What is he gonna say. My jock screwed up.

LOL

Im ignorant but you cant read what Vic said in the post and cant deduce from the ride what the instructions were. LOL

Let me guess and maybe Vic can confirm what the instructions were later. "stay on the rail and take him out around the turn for a clear run".

But then again, you probably know more than Vic or anyone else on the matter right?

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Anytime Vic. 5 wins is nice. But too bad he didnt win the big race. His move on the turn cost the horse the race....but hopefully you will go over the race with him and point out his mistake and make him a better jockey.

I'm 6'4' 290lbs. What the heck am I going to say to him about riding racehorses?

I think he'll be fine. If working hard and being a good person helps then I KNOW he'll be fine.

Picked up mounts in two upcoming Grade 1's today. We're really looking forward to that.

Excellent thread continues.

VJS

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'm 6'4' 290lbs. What the heck am I going to say to him about riding racehorses?

I think he'll be fine. If working hard and being a good person helps then I KNOW he'll be fine.

Picked up mounts in two upcoming Grade 1's today. We're really looking forward to that.

Excellent thread continues.

VJS

Good luck to you and your jockey Vic. I have been watching him for a while now and his ROI has been up there with the best.

Cheers.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'm 6'4' 290lbs. What the heck am I going to say to him about riding racehorses?

I think he'll be fine. If working hard and being a good person helps then I KNOW he'll be fine.

Picked up mounts in two upcoming Grade 1's today. We're really looking forward to that.

Excellent thread continues.

VJS

DerbyCat and I both took note of Joel Rosario's riding abilities up here in NorCal a couple of meets back.

It's always nice to note an unknown jockey with talent before the rest of the world does.

Especially when betting exotics.

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

DerbyCat and I both took note of Joel Rosario's riding abilities up here in NorCal a couple of meets back.

It's always nice to note an unknown jockey with talent before the rest of the world does.

Especially when betting exotics.

The less unknown he is the better I'm doing my job. I'm going to miss living the better part of the year in Marin. It's home.

Thanks for the props for Joel.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'm 6'4' 290lbs. What the heck am I going to say to him about riding racehorses?

I think he'll be fine. If working hard and being a good person helps then I KNOW he'll be fine.

Picked up mounts in two upcoming Grade 1's today. We're really looking forward to that.

Excellent thread continues.

VJS

This thread has gotten beyond ridiculous. Rosario isn't a bad jock..in fact he does win a lot and sure does have a promising future. My point was...and perhaps you will agree....if he stayed on the inside instead of making the wide move, he wins. I thought it was a bad move. Maybe because of it being a Grade I he got somewhat nervous. I think there is a reason guys like Gomez,Prado,Alan Garcia, etc get/win Grade I mounts/wins. They have proven themselves in the big races. Rosario hasn't....yet.

Some of the replies on here are borderline insane. People are acting like CE is some monster horse. Newsflash...he isnt. One brainiac said CE is 20 lengths better than Obrigado. I guess some people on here just want to overlook when they met in Jan when CE won, but not by much.

The best one though is that Obrigado lost not because of the trip...but because he was 22-1. That is hall of fame material.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

This thread has gotten beyond ridiculous. Rosario isn't a bad jock..in fact he does win a lot and sure does have a promising future. My point was...and perhaps you will agree....if he stayed on the inside instead of making the wide move, he wins. I thought it was a bad move. Maybe because of it being a Grade I he got somewhat nervous. I think there is a reason guys like Gomez,Prado,Alan Garcia, etc get/win Grade I mounts/wins. They have proven themselves in the big races. Rosario hasn't....yet.

Some of the replies on here are borderline insane. People are acting like CE is some monster horse. Newsflash...he isnt. One brainiac said CE is 20 lengths better than Obrigado. I guess some people on here just want to overlook when they met in Jan when CE won, but not by much.

The best one though is that Obrigado lost not because of the trip...but because he was 22-1. That is hall of fame material.

Actually the quote was On class, Champs is 20 lengths better than Obrigado. Class is the operative word in the sentence. Now, there is a little hyperbole in the sentence obviously as 20 lengths is a pretty arbritrary number.

I would say a quick look at the pps would support that contention. Now, if you want to continue to throw insults, I can go there as well. Surely you can make your point without the garbage.