Pletcher BC positive; Hearing pending

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Chuck IS a very good trainer- and I'm not just saying that since I own(ed) horses with him. He runs a tight ship with the equine's best interests in mind, knows the abilities of his current stock, has a great eye at the sales, and keeps his owners informed all the time.

So he doesn't get too big a head, 235 is pretty damned low estimate.

Didn't know he used to work for Lukas and Jerkins, anyway thanks for the info.

[Honu]

He needs to start firing his Asst. Trainers and hiring one's that keep track of what meds each horse is on and withdrawl time . I know Todd cant be at all his barns at once so the people he has running the show for him dont seem to be very competant. I know there have been times when I have screwed up and gave a horse something not knowing it was entered in a race and have went with my head hung low and told the boss right away , believe me I felt like an azz for not knowing the horse was in , but regardless I had to tell him and suffer the azz chewin. This man trains some of the best horses there are and his clients deserve the most able people too do the job , its pretty clear that the Asst. are not doing thier jobs . I mean how hard is it to say hey boss we treated that filly with penicillian cream for her cracked heals or whatever the case may be and we arent sure if she will clear do you want to have her urine tested to make sure. Its very simple to avoid a bad test if people are on top of things and honest.

[Payson Dave]

Not sure who he has on the west coast but TP has some extremely capable assistants.....His man Tristan, at Saratoga this past spring/summer/fall is very good...

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Not sure who he has on the west coast but TP has some extremely capable assistants.....His man Tristan, at Saratoga this past spring/summer/fall is very good...

They may very well be good horse trainers but with as many positives as this man gets there is alot of miscommunication going on somewhere. I think The Asst. would be the first place to look.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Honu

They may very well be good horse trainers but with as many positives as this man gets there is alot of miscommunication going on somewhere. I think The Asst. would be the first place to look.

how many has he had in say the last three years????

[Kasept]

Ray Paulick indicates that the Pletcher stable believes Wait a While was treated with procaine G penicillin 18 days before the Breeders’ Cup for a resperatory infection.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Ray Paulick indicates that the Pletcher stable believes Wait a While was treated with procaine G penicillin 18 days before the Breeders’ Cup for a resperatory infection.

Very well could have been. That formulation is given intramuscularly, and it could have been slowly metabolized.

Wow. An antibiotic positive.

Snore.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

how many has he had in say the last three years????

I dont know dude but didnt he get an eclipse award 2 years ago after serving a suspension?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Not sure who he has on the west coast but TP has some extremely capable assistants.....His man Tristan, at Saratoga this past spring/summer/fall is very good...

Losing Benzel seems like it's had an effect on him, though. . .

[Payson Dave]

Seth ...after a little bit of a slow start... is certainly now doing pretty well...

but.... I'm thinking that TP took the Training title at Saratoga this past meet and that was after Seth had gone on his own

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Seth ...after a little bit of a slow start... is certainly now doing pretty well...

but.... I'm thinking that TP took the Training title at Saratoga this past meet and that was after Seth had gone on his own

Actually, Kiaran took the training title this past meet with 17 wins from 62 starts. Pletcher was second with 15 wins from 103 starts. Of the 12 trainers with the most wins, Pletcher had the second worst winning percentage (14.56%) only behind Contessa's dismal 7.5%.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Actually, Kiaran took the training title this past meet with 17 wins from 62 starts. Pletcher was second with 15 wins from 103 starts. Of the 12 trainers with the most wins, Pletcher had the second worst winning percentage (14.56%) only behind Contessa's dismal 7.5%.

my bad....you are correct.....

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Before this turns into the Ox Bow Incident, be aware that the violation is for Penicillin G Procaine, a Class 3 violation. This is a routine antibiotic used regularly with horses for a million reasons. It is not something that is going to enhance performance.

What is stunning about this is how stupid a thing it is for the Pletcher barn to have been using in close proximity to a major event. It is amazing that a guy who runs a business like Pletcher, would allow use of Penicillin G Procaine near one of his Breeders' Cup scheduled runners even 45 or 60 days out.

And scheduled withdrawl for it is 15 days...

This isn't 'cheating'.. It's sloppiness.

I agree with this. Would also add that even though the scheduled withdrawal time is 15 days, as you alluded to, it sometimes takes much longer and so administering it even 45 days out could be taking a risk.

Originally Posted by Honu

I mean how hard is it to say hey boss we treated that filly with penicillian cream for her cracked heals or whatever the case may be and we arent sure if she will clear do you want to have her urine tested to make sure. Its very simple to avoid a bad test if people are on top of things and honest.

For the most part, I agree with this. But with this stuff, you can test on Friday and come up clear and test again on Saturday and find it.