BCS

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no.

how many bowl games are there? how many playoff games would you have to have to make up the difference? again, you guys are lowballing the amount of money made from the current system.
like i said last year, if the amount of money would be comparable, then what is keeping the ncaa from making the change? they aren't making it, because it's NOT comparable. do you really think they are refusing to change due to stubborness? no, it's due to the bottom line.

the arrogance of the rose bowl, pac12 and big 10 are holding up the playoff process.

[horseofcourse]

You could have an 8 team playoff...keep the 12 game schedule and keep the bowl schedule as is. You would still have pretty much the same level bowls doing that. You just occasionally would get the 2nd place conference team when the 1st place team is in the playoff. The conferences that have a championship game may need to cut their schedules by one game. You take the top 8 schools in the BCS rankings regardless of conference or anything. Play the quarter and semi finals at the home field of the higher ranked team the last two weekends of December. Play all the big bowls on New Year's day again and have the national championship game at the selected neutral site the weekend after New Year's day...or the week after if you want an extra week for the championship game teams to prepare.

With this type system as it stands now you'd have Penn State at Alabama, Texas Tech at Oklahoma, Utah at Texas, and USC at Florida in the playoff.

You'd have an Ohio State/Oregon Rose Bowl, an Oklahoma State/Cincinnati Orange Bowl, a Georgia or Georgia Tech/Boston College Sugar Bowl, a Boise State/Brigham Young Fiesta Bowl, a TCU/Ball State Cotton Bowl or something similar to those matchups in the "big" bowl games. It doesn't really matter who is in them. Just generally teams in the 9 to 20 ranked category. You can keep conference affiliations in those games or go back to them or not.

That's my solution. I'm a bit long-winded however.

[philcski]

You know, somebody made an outstanding point to me the other day. Every team in college football has a chance to win a national championship in their respective divisions... except those that reside in the Mtn West, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, or MAC. Utah may be the best team in the country this year, they went undefeated in a league with 3 teams ranked in the BCS that went a combined 6-1 against Pac-10 opponents, but we'll never know because Div 1-A made the incredibly greedy choice of putting money over the true meaning of sport- competition.

Now they're trying to find ways to select a team ranked behind another one for their own big money games despite the fact that team A (Boise) outranks team B (Ohio State) in basically every category that matters, except potentially putting more butts in the seats.

BCS ranking: Boise 9, Ohio State 10 (check, Boise)
Record: Boise 12-0, Ohio State 10-2 (check, Boise)
Best win: Boise @ Oregon, Ohio State @ Michigan State (wash)
Worst loss: Boise NONE, Ohio State home to PSU (...I'll be kind and call it a wash because despite the two losses I have high respect for both of them)
Points for: Boise 473, Ohio State 338 (check, Boise)
Points against: Boise 147, Ohio State 158 (check, Boise)
BCS wins last 3 years Boise 1-0, Ohio State 1-2 (wash... sort of)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

You know, somebody made an outstanding point to me the other day. Every team in college football has a chance to win a national championship in their respective divisions... except those that reside in the Mtn West, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, or MAC. Utah may be the best team in the country this year, they went undefeated in a league with 3 teams ranked in the BCS that went a combined 6-1 against Pac-10 opponents, but we'll never know because Div 1-A made the incredibly greedy choice of putting money over the true meaning of sport- competition.

Now they're trying to find ways to select a team ranked behind another one for their own big money games despite the fact that team A (Boise) outranks team B (Ohio State) in basically every category that matters, except potentially putting more butts in the seats.

BCS ranking: Boise 9, Ohio State 10 (check, Boise)
Record: Boise 12-0, Ohio State 10-2 (check, Boise)
Best win: Boise @ Oregon, Ohio State @ Michigan State (wash)
Worst loss: Boise NONE, Ohio State home to PSU (...I'll be kind and call it a wash because despite the two losses I have high respect for both of them)
Points for: Boise 473, Ohio State 338 (check, Boise)
Points against: Boise 147, Ohio State 158 (check, Boise)
BCS wins last 3 years Boise 1-0, Ohio State 1-2 (wash... sort of)

While I agree with your premise I would call Ohio state worst loss the shellacking they got at USC.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

You know, somebody made an outstanding point to me the other day. Every team in college football has a chance to win a national championship in their respective divisions... except those that reside in the Mtn West, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, or MAC. Utah may be the best team in the country this year, they went undefeated in a league with 3 teams ranked in the BCS that went a combined 6-1 against Pac-10 opponents, but we'll never know because Div 1-A made the incredibly greedy choice of putting money over the true meaning of sport- competition.
Now they're trying to find ways to select a team ranked behind another one for their own big money games despite the fact that team A (Boise) outranks team B (Ohio State) in basically every category that matters, except potentially putting more butts in the seats.

BCS ranking: Boise 9, Ohio State 10 (check, Boise)
Record: Boise 12-0, Ohio State 10-2 (check, Boise)
Best win: Boise @ Oregon, Ohio State @ Michigan State (wash)
Worst loss: Boise NONE, Ohio State home to PSU (...I'll be kind and call it a wash because despite the two losses I have high respect for both of them)
Points for: Boise 473, Ohio State 338 (check, Boise)
Points against: Boise 147, Ohio State 158 (check, Boise)
BCS wins last 3 years Boise 1-0, Ohio State 1-2 (wash... sort of)

I hope Bama hands Utah's a$$es to them in the Sugar Bowl.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I hope Bama hands Utah's a$$es to them in the Sugar Bowl.

go utes.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

go utes.

Not sure how a fan of an SEC team can say that, but whatever ...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Not sure how a fan of an SEC team can say that, but whatever ...

I never understand how one can root for a conference rival. I mean you are supposed to hate them. I know that if AZ state played Iran State i would wear a turbin for a day.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by philcski

You know, somebody made an outstanding point to me the other day. Every team in college football has a chance to win a national championship in their respective divisions... except those that reside in the Mtn West, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, or MAC. Utah may be the best team in the country this year, they went undefeated in a league with 3 teams ranked in the BCS that went a combined 6-1 against Pac-10 opponents, but we'll never know because Div 1-A made the incredibly greedy choice of putting money over the true meaning of sport- competition.

Now they're trying to find ways to select a team ranked behind another one for their own big money games despite the fact that team A (Boise) outranks team B (Ohio State) in basically every category that matters, except potentially putting more butts in the seats.

BCS ranking: Boise 9, Ohio State 10 (check, Boise)
Record: Boise 12-0, Ohio State 10-2 (check, Boise)
Best win: Boise @ Oregon, Ohio State @ Michigan State (wash)
Worst loss: Boise NONE, Ohio State home to PSU (...I'll be kind and call it a wash because despite the two losses I have high respect for both of them)
oints for: Boise 473, Ohio State 338 (check, Boise)
Points against: Boise 147, Ohio State 158 (check, Boise)
BCS wins last 3 years Boise 1-0, Ohio State 1-2 (wash... sort of)

These stats are a little bit of a stretch considering the disparity in quality of opponents. The computers penalize the teams that lose to quality opponents too harshly while rewarding teams that go undefeated and beat no one IMO.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You could have an 8 team playoff...keep the 12 game schedule and keep the bowl schedule as is. You would still have pretty much the same level bowls doing that. You just occasionally would get the 2nd place conference team when the 1st place team is in the playoff. The conferences that have a championship game may need to cut their schedules by one game. You take the top 8 schools in the BCS rankings regardless of conference or anything. Play the quarter and semi finals at the home field of the higher ranked team the last two weekends of December. Play all the big bowls on New Year's day again and have the national championship game at the selected neutral site the weekend after New Year's day...or the week after if you want an extra week for the championship game teams to prepare.

With this type system as it stands now you'd have Penn State at Alabama, Texas Tech at Oklahoma, Utah at Texas, and USC at Florida in the playoff.

You'd have an Ohio State/Oregon Rose Bowl, an Oklahoma State/Cincinnati Orange Bowl, a Georgia or Georgia Tech/Boston College Sugar Bowl, a Boise State/Brigham Young Fiesta Bowl, a TCU/Ball State Cotton Bowl or something similar to those matchups in the "big" bowl games. It doesn't really matter who is in them. Just generally teams in the 9 to 20 ranked category. You can keep conference affiliations in those games or go back to them or not.

That's my solution. I'm a bit long-winded however.

It is everyone solution, but the people that run the ship.

I refuse to watch or support college football until the title is settled on the field, hilarious computers picking two teams and saying "You two get to play for the hardware" is just ridiculous

[Danzig]

i would not miss out on these great games just because of how the title is settled.
a year later, does it matter anyway who played? oh...for the record, it was lsu.
not that it has done them much good this year.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i would not miss out on these great games just because of how the title is settled.
a year later, does it matter anyway who played? oh...for the record, it was lsu.
not that it has done them much good this year.

Why do you want to support something where only two handpicked/computer teams have a chance at winning it all.

The less money these clowns can acquire, the more they will need to actually listen to fans. Everyone, EVEN THE PRESIDENT ELECT, wants a playoff, everyone except the schools

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why do you want to support something where only two handpicked/computer teams have a chance at winning it all.

The less money these clowns can acquire, the more they will need to actually listen to fans. Everyone, EVEN THE PRESIDENT ELECT, wants a playoff, everyone except the schools

i like football.
i'm not a dan snyder fan, but i've always loved the redskins-i'm not going to quit cheering them on just because they're now owned by a jackass. i guess i just don't see a point in witholding from myself something i enjoy, just because i don't agree with the entire situation.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why do you want to support something where only two handpicked/computer teams have a chance at winning it all.

The less money these clowns can acquire, the more they will need to actually listen to fans. Everyone, EVEN THE PRESIDENT ELECT, wants a playoff, everyone except the schools

But...shouldn't they count the most?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GBBob

But...shouldn't they count the most?

I should have been more detailed. the schools administration is who doesn't want it, the sports programs want it. they get MILLIONS just to show up at a bowl game, it is ridiculous.