11/28 (AQU): Demoiselle/Remsen (Gr. II); Hill 'n' Dale Cigar (Gr. I)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Sadly, we'll never know. But while I liked her race, I wasn't overly impressed by it. But I do like it more when I can see horses quicken like she did and win after a slow pace. That's more impressive for me than watching a horse set a crawling pace and run away.

Wait a second....you aren't suggesting the Demoiselle was a slow pace.....are you?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wait a second....you aren't suggesting the Demoiselle was a slow pace.....are you?

That's just an opinion formed looking at the race. I admittedly didn't look at the other results from the card other than the Remsen and the Cigar to know what the track was playing like so I can't say with any certainty that the pace was slow. In general, fractions of 48.20 and 1:12.65 wouldn't be considered anything other than slow as far as I'm concerned. Of course, the looked like they had booster rockets on compared to the Remsen.

[blackthroatedwind]

There were only two two-turn races but I would guess it was a strong pace.

[the_fat_man]

Is it so important to correctly quantify the pace? (Other than noting that it was significantly faster early than the colt race.)

Isn't it enough to note that she got just about as good a setup as one would want? Under those circumstances, does it matter?
Fast or slow, she'd still have to show that she could do it in a race without just the right number of moves to wipe it out.


I suppose it does if they were crawling; but then the others wouldn't be much at all.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's just an opinion formed looking at the race. I admittedly didn't look at the other results from the card other than the Remsen and the Cigar to know what the track was playing like so I can't say with any certainty that the pace was slow. In general, fractions of 48.20 and 1:12.65 wouldn't be considered anything other than slow as far as I'm concerned. Of course, the looked like they had booster rockets on compared to the Remsen.

Those were the only two turn races on the card, but it's important to note that 48.20 and 1:12.65 isn't that slow at Aqu at 9f. It'd probably equate to 46 4/5 and 1:10 4/5 at Hollywood (also a 9f oval), for example. For whatever reason, routes on the main at Aqu have very slow times. 1:13.10 is the average 6F time for all races at 9F, and 1:12 3/5 would fall right in the median of graded stakes @ 9F.