Mott-Zayat appear officially done

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat

Maybe they don't pay as much or have as many horses but the Klavarich crew probably is right up there for incompetence when it comes to picking horses. Someone pays 1/20th what they pay for horses would probably get comparable results.

[The Bid]

No doubt about it Klavarich is in the same breath.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Maybe they don't pay as much or have as many horses but the Klavarich crew probably is right up there for incompetence when it comes to picking horses. Someone pays 1/20th what they pay for horses would probably get comparable results.

Agree... been saying this for a while.


Klaravich has had some success at least along the way. What has Zayat done? His best horse is a turf miler that requires a perfect trip to even be competitive. His 2nd best horse is a sprinter that folds under pressure. The rest of horses just plain suck for the money he spends.

[The Bid]

They are both very brutal. They deserve what they get, which isnt much

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

Agree... been saying this for a while.


Klaravich has had some success at least along the way. What has Zayat done? His best horse is a turf miler that requires a perfect trip to even be competitive. His 2nd best horse is a sprinter that folds under pressure. The rest of horses just plain suck for the money he spends.

Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.

[VOL JACK]

Klaravich sure waited for the absolute peak time to jump on the T. Pletcher bandwagon.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.

I remember he had Subordination with Sciacca, he was a pretty low purchase price, right?

[blackthroatedwind]

Zayat Stables certainly places their horses aggressively.

[gales0678]

andy - what about west point , i always felt that they were aggressive as well

High Finance was never the same after the Belmont and Lear's Princess probably should not have run in the BC

as you know , i do know an owner , and he tells me he has no say in what races the horses go to , it's pretty much up to mgmt

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by gales0678

andy - what about west point , i always felt that they were aggressive as well

High Finance was never the same after the Belmont and Lear's Princess probably should not have run in the BC

as you know , i do know an owner , and he tells me he has no say in what races the horses go to , it's pretty much up to mgmt

Of course it's up to management.

I don't speak for West Point but if you have any questions I suggest you contact Terry Finley.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

I remember he had Subordination with Sciacca, he was a pretty low purchase price, right?

I think they paid $50,000 or maybe $70,000...

SUBORDINATION

21 Starts: 11-3-1 ($1,221,068)

At 3: Won Crown Royal Hollywood Derby (G1), Jamaica H. (G2), Hill Prince S. (G3)

At 4: Won Eddie Read H. (G1), Brooklyn H. (G2), Belmont Breeders' Cup H. (G2), Fort Marcy H. (G3), Canadian Turf H. (G3)


They also did well with Currency Arbitrage. And others...

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I think they paid $50,000 or maybe $70,000...

SUBORDINATION

21 Starts: 11-3-1 ($1,221,068)

At 3: Won Crown Royal Hollywood Derby (G1), Jamaica H. (G2), Hill Prince S. (G3)

At 4: Won Eddie Read H. (G1), Brooklyn H. (G2), Belmont Breeders' Cup H. (G2), Fort Marcy H. (G3), Canadian Turf H. (G3)


They also did well with Currency Arbitrage. And others...

They also had a filly named Illiquidity who Gary bought for $30k and they sold for mid six figures.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

They also had a filly named Illiquidity who Gary bought for $30k and they sold for mid six figures.

I LOVED that mare!!!!!! used to hotwalk her everymorning in Toga that high school summer off... she was my favorite.. very laid back to walk... just dont try walk behind her in the stall or she'll kick the crap out of ya!

Have a pic of her in the winner's circle at the SPAAAA!


Edit- and a gelding or colt Gary had at the time... by Affirmed... the horse's name was Antitrust... Guess where I got my handle name from!!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.

Did Gary train for free?

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Did Gary train for free?

Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.

[pgiaco]

IMO, they are all pikers compared to Ward/Oxley who wrote the book on how to win a "one other than" with an $800k purchase.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.

Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?

You could probably call it a wash between "Footnotes" and Subordination, but I think Klarman had a lot better, for a lack of a better phrase, second tier horses like Currency Arbitrage, Antitrust and Illiquidity with Sciaccca for a lot less money than he has spent with Violette.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?

Read the Footnotes and Sharp Humor were two of the better NYB's that could have been special if they didn't get hurt. I liked them both quite a bit.