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Old 11-18-2008, 09:14 AM
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I wonder how this is playing on Facebook. Are people choosing sides?
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:33 AM
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Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:43 AM
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Mott refuses to dope for Zayat, so he gets canned.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:59 AM
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Mott refuses to dope for Zayat, so he gets canned.


Let me guess......you got this information from Facebook?
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:24 AM
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Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat
Maybe they don't pay as much or have as many horses but the Klavarich crew probably is right up there for incompetence when it comes to picking horses. Someone pays 1/20th what they pay for horses would probably get comparable results.
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:31 AM
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No doubt about it Klavarich is in the same breath.
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:41 AM
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Maybe they don't pay as much or have as many horses but the Klavarich crew probably is right up there for incompetence when it comes to picking horses. Someone pays 1/20th what they pay for horses would probably get comparable results.
Agree... been saying this for a while.


Klaravich has had some success at least along the way. What has Zayat done? His best horse is a turf miler that requires a perfect trip to even be competitive. His 2nd best horse is a sprinter that folds under pressure. The rest of horses just plain suck for the money he spends.
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:42 AM
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They are both very brutal. They deserve what they get, which isnt much
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:24 PM
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Agree... been saying this for a while.


Klaravich has had some success at least along the way. What has Zayat done? His best horse is a turf miler that requires a perfect trip to even be competitive. His 2nd best horse is a sprinter that folds under pressure. The rest of horses just plain suck for the money he spends.
Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:29 PM
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Klaravich sure waited for the absolute peak time to jump on the T. Pletcher bandwagon.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:51 PM
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Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.
I remember he had Subordination with Sciacca, he was a pretty low purchase price, right?
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:01 PM
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Zayat Stables certainly places their horses aggressively.
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I remember he had Subordination with Sciacca, he was a pretty low purchase price, right?
I think they paid $50,000 or maybe $70,000...

SUBORDINATION

21 Starts: 11-3-1 ($1,221,068)

At 3: Won Crown Royal Hollywood Derby (G1), Jamaica H. (G2), Hill Prince S. (G3)

At 4: Won Eddie Read H. (G1), Brooklyn H. (G2), Belmont Breeders' Cup H. (G2), Fort Marcy H. (G3), Canadian Turf H. (G3)


They also did well with Currency Arbitrage. And others...
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Old 11-19-2008, 11:57 AM
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Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.
Did Gary train for free?
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Did Gary train for free?
Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.
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Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat
I disagree. Z Humor has been very well-spotted and managed this year IMO.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:45 PM
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Lear's Princess beat Rags to Riches in the Gazelle so she did "figure" in the BC as long as she could handle the mud. High Finance was spotted a bit agressively, IMO. I don't know of any partnership that allows shareholders to decide on placement.


Zayat has had some nice prospects fizzle. How'd that Maimonides work out? Z Fortune should have stayed in NY (or returned after not lighting things up in the Derby preps.) He was a NY bred who could have been useful. I like Premium Wine but he never quite seems to get there. Was (is) J Be K theirs? He's a nice sprinter, a useful type but not exactly championship caliber.

They spent alot of money for alot of horses. They'd have been better off with more focus and less of a wide net approach.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:51 PM
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Lear's Princess beat Rags to Riches in the Gazelle so she did "figure" in the BC as long as she could handle the mud. High Finance was spotted a bit agressively, IMO. I don't know of any partnership that allows shareholders to decide on placement.


Zayat has had some nice prospects fizzle. How'd that Maimonides work out? Z Fortune should have stayed in NY (or returned after not lighting things up in the Derby preps.) He was a NY bred who could have been useful. I like Premium Wine but he never quite seems to get there. Was (is) J Be K theirs? He's a nice sprinter, a useful type but not exactly championship caliber.

They spent alot of money for alot of horses. They'd have been better off with more focus and less of a wide net approach.
Where is Z Fortune by the way? He was useful and could have done some damage within those NY bred stakes races, and Grade 2/3 races....
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:07 PM
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Where is Z Fortune by the way? He was useful and could have done some damage within those NY bred stakes races, and Grade 2/3 races....
He was last seen running 7th in the Iowa Derby, then 8th in the West Virginia Derby. Hopefully he's getting a freshening.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:29 PM
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