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Old 11-07-2008, 02:04 PM
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I generally stay out of political discussions but Sarah Palin is done, stick a fork in her. Even if she were to attempt a run she would never, ever recieve the nomination. Well I say that after being totally shocked and dismayed at what a mess the republicans made out of this campaign. There are too many americans that find her appalling, ridiculous and uneducated. The ultra conservatives cannot elect a President, and thankfully that is the only faction that find her appealing.

But of course she will never figure that out and try and run, but will never get the nod.
As for competition well Bobby Jindal is very well liked in the Republican party. He was extremely high on the list for VP and word is he got it from McCain but turned it down...smart move by Jindal.

He's got the background, Brown and Oxford university education, Asst. Sec. of DHH, US congressman, and now Governor in state that has massive problems and looks like he is capable of turning it around. While he is absolutely a party man he also very much appeals to independents and moderate Dems. There is alot of talk that he will make a run in 2012, and the republican party is courting him for a run. He will easily be re-elected as Governor and it will all depend on if he wishes to complete his term. He is a young man, very good orator that establishes trust, very nice family, even delivered his own baby when his wife went into sudden and quick labor...good story for those that like the heartwarming stories. So for those disheartened republicans keep on eye on our Governor.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:06 PM
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^^^^^^^^^good post!
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:27 PM
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^^^^^^^^^good post!

Check him out, you'd like him.

But for the record I should disclose that I am a moderate independent with Dem leanings. I cling to my independent stature as those that are registered Dems or Repubs cling to their party. And yes I voted for Obama, couldn't stomach the thought of Palin for 4 years. But I also voted for Bobby Jindal.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:31 PM
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Check him out, you'd like him.

But for the record I should disclose that I am a moderate independent with Dem leanings. I cling to my independent stature as those that are registered Dems or Repubs cling to their party. And yes I voted for Obama, couldn't stomach the thought of Palin for 4 years. But I also voted for Bobby Jindal.
Jindal is on the radar for sure! I don't really understand the advantage of being independent...doesn't it preclude you voting in certain instances like primaries?
I'm going to leave the Obama topic alone for a while.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:56 PM
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Jindal is on the radar for sure! I don't really understand the advantage of being independent...doesn't it preclude you voting in certain instances like primaries?
I'm going to leave the Obama topic alone for a while.
Being an independent allows me to be a moderate. I am neither conservative or liberal, nor do I always vote for the independent candidate.
I think some of the problems in both Dem and Repub parties is the extreme philosphies, middle america is getting lost.
For instance I can wholeheartedly believe in my right to bear arms, and I have closet full of guns and pistols, I LEGALLY carry a concealed weapon yet I can also believe in gun reform. You shouldn't be able to go to a gun show and buy an assualt weapon on the spot. If you want AR's and other assualt weaponery as a collector than get a license, get checked out and then buy the AR's. However that is not acceptable by most of the people I know that are for the right to bear arms. I am giving away my right to bear arms by even allowing for the thought of gun reform.

As for precluding me from voting in primaries, generally I wouldn't anyway, but it is strange down here in primaries, I'm not from here. But it could preclude me from voting for the candidate I like and force me to vote for the parties candidate. Actually one of the primaries here was very strange only non-party registered were allowed to vote, I have to look into that further as I didn't know that was the law.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:12 PM
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Try to be brief here.....I have voted for both parties in the past, usually I look at the individual rather than the party. I am far left of either one so I have to take their positions on issues in context. If I'm still around in four years, I will look at where the country is and decide whether Obama is the person I think he is...if so, I doubt I'd give any other candidate much consideration. Palin is way too conservative for me...I have nothing against her as a person, in fact I respect her but it's hard for me to see how I could reconcile voting for her. Four years is a long time, especially in a world where everything can change in a "New York minute"....I'll get back to you then!
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:24 PM
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Being an independent allows me to be a moderate. I am neither conservative or liberal, nor do I always vote for the independent candidate.
I think some of the problems in both Dem and Repub parties is the extreme philosphies, middle america is getting lost.
For instance I can wholeheartedly believe in my right to bear arms, and I have closet full of guns and pistols, I LEGALLY carry a concealed weapon yet I can also believe in gun reform. You shouldn't be able to go to a gun show and buy an assualt weapon on the spot. If you want AR's and other assualt weaponery as a collector than get a license, get checked out and then buy the AR's. However that is not acceptable by most of the people I know that are for the right to bear arms. I am giving away my right to bear arms by even allowing for the thought of gun reform.

As for precluding me from voting in primaries, generally I wouldn't anyway, but it is strange down here in primaries, I'm not from here. But it could preclude me from voting for the candidate I like and force me to vote for the parties candidate. Actually one of the primaries here was very strange only non-party registered were allowed to vote, I have to look into that further as I didn't know that was the law.
I'm with you on the gun reform as you stated it.....in California you could only vote for a candidate if you were in that party,I believe(there has been some changes though)
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I would never vote for someone that believes in fossil fuels but not fossils.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:39 PM
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I'm with you on the gun reform as you stated it.....in California you could only vote for a candidate if you were in that party,I believe(there has been some changes though)
if you're registered to a particular party you can only vote in that party's primary.

it's up to each party to decide whether they let someone like me who registered "decline to state" to vote for candidates in their primary.

this year i could have voted democratic, libertarian, peace and freedom (didn't make that up), and green but not republican in the primary.

just one example of the extraordinary stupidity of california's republican leadership. they actually used the primary to train independents to vote democratic.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:40 PM
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Check him out, you'd like him.

But for the record I should disclose that I am a moderate independent with Dem leanings. I cling to my independent stature as those that are registered Dems or Repubs cling to their party. And yes I voted for Obama, couldn't stomach the thought of Palin for 4 years. But I also voted for Bobby Jindal.
He's too conservative for me on some topics but I like his pedigree and use and allocations of resources.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:48 PM
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I generally stay out of political discussions but Sarah Palin is done, stick a fork in her. Even if she were to attempt a run she would never, ever recieve the nomination. Well I say that after being totally shocked and dismayed at what a mess the republicans made out of this campaign. There are too many americans that find her appalling, ridiculous and uneducated. The ultra conservatives cannot elect a President, and thankfully that is the only faction that find her appealing.

But of course she will never figure that out and try and run, but will never get the nod.
As for competition well Bobby Jindal is very well liked in the Republican party. He was extremely high on the list for VP and word is he got it from McCain but turned it down...smart move by Jindal.

He's got the background, Brown and Oxford university education, Asst. Sec. of DHH, US congressman, and now Governor in state that has massive problems and looks like he is capable of turning it around. While he is absolutely a party man he also very much appeals to independents and moderate Dems. There is alot of talk that he will make a run in 2012, and the republican party is courting him for a run. He will easily be re-elected as Governor and it will all depend on if he wishes to complete his term. He is a young man, very good orator that establishes trust, very nice family, even delivered his own baby when his wife went into sudden and quick labor...good story for those that like the heartwarming stories. So for those disheartened republicans keep on eye on our Governor.

as i said the other day, i think she's comparable to dan quayle, and has as much chance as him of ever being president.
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