You can hear a pin drop during the McCain speech....

[Mortimer]

Steven H. Crsit,Philski.



A Hillary supporter??

Are you nuts!! ...or what?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Steven H. Crsit,Philski.



A Hillary supporter??

Are you nuts!! ...or what?

I thought she looked SEXY in her business suit.



Actually, I was looking forward to 4 more years of Billy in the White House!

[GBBob]

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

The McCain/Palin ticket was so bad that they won their home states of Arizona and Alaska by LESS of a margin than Bush won them by in 2004. Romney would have been a much better choice.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

i think mccain/just about anyone could have won it.
palin was too much like bush, really. the thought of her being president if mccain was to pass in office was just too much for many to imagine happening, let alone have to deal with in reality. that's the main reason he lost. i told my husband months ago that generally the vp slot doesn't matter, but that this time it would matter quite a bit. and mccain absolutely blew it.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

The electorals are what count my friend. It wasnt even close.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The electorals are what count my friend. It wasnt even close.

Compared to the last 2 elections it wasnt that close but it was hardly a runaway from an electoral standpoint. In 1988 GH Bush won the EC vote 411 to 111, in 1984 Reagan won the EC vote 525 to 13, in 1980 he won 489 to 49, in 1972 Nixon won 520 to 17, in 1964 Johnson won 486 to 52. Those are epic stompings. How do you expect us to educate Scavs on elections and the political system if you keep giving him hyperbole instead of truth?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

spending advantage = important... but where was the Republican $$ in this election? I don't see why the GOP allowed this to happen. They have access to plenty of funds, too.

media bias: not true. Simply not true. I don't know why so many people are using this as an excuse today.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by philcski

spending advantage = important... but where was the Republican $$ in this election? I don't see why the GOP allowed this to happen. They have access to plenty of funds, too.

media bias: not true. Simply not true. I don't know why so many people are using this as an excuse today.

Obama reneged on public financing. McCain didn't. Also Obama took money from god only knows where because they didn't even bother to check where the money was coming for. Personally I expect this funding issue to be one of his first scandals. I don't know how it can just be overlooked. however with one party rule a lot can be swept under the rug so who knows.

as far as the media bias, its not even debatable, I don't know how a fairminded person could miss it. The mask has been dropped this time resulting in outright advocacy. Its gotten so bad that even people from with the industry themselves are speaking out against it. It's not an excuse its just a fact.

[Mike]

Jim, what should the media do? Do you want a free press? Then the press is free to call it as they see it, no? The choice of Palin was a disgrace, an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Only a suppressed media or a moronic media could endorse the ticket.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Obama reneged on public financing. McCain didn't. Also Obama took money from god only knows where because they didn't even bother to check where the money was coming for. Personally I expect this funding issue to be one of his first scandals. I don't know how it can just be overlooked. however with one party rule a lot can be swept under the rug so who knows.
as far as the media bias, its not even debatable, I don't know how a fairminded person could miss it. The mask has been dropped this time resulting in outright advocacy. Its gotten so bad that even people from with the industry themselves are speaking out against it. It's not an excuse its just a fact.

wasn't it one party rule during bushes first six years? did you mind it then?
also, donations to a party fall under first amendment rights, don't they?

[Mike]

Obama sure did renege on his word when he saw he would benefit from opting out of public financing

But, I strongly disagree with you in regards to Obama getting his money from "God knows where". Even Stevie Wonder can see that Obama got his money from the millions of new voters who finally saw a candidate worth voting for. Voter turnout set records because of the interest in Obama

I'm 45 years old, and this is the first time I've liked a major candidate for the presidency. Obama was very smart to get his book out a few years before the election(regarding his drug usage). His candor about this, even if politically calculated, paid off big-time