an idea about sires

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just had a thought, while reading an article about kip deville going to the japan cup.

has anyone in the breeding business considered supplementing a good runner so that said runner will continue to race, which has to be the best type of advertising for a sire already in the shed?

kiplings best progeny is kip deville, other than him kipling hasn't sired much at all. so i would think it's in kiplings (and his stud farms) best interest to keep kip deville on the track.
so, take street boss for instance-what if darley was to supplement a horses racing career so that he'll keep running (and presumably winning) so that he and others by street cry would offer up a huge racing resume for their old man-would this be feasible? now, obviously a stud farm can't offer up the 10k stud fee x's 100 to pay off an owner, but wouldn't assumed purse winnings along with some green from a farm be enough to encourage an owner to perhaps attempt to keep a horse in training at four?
or is this idea not feasible at all?
it just seems that in the 'good old days' that a farm would run the offspring of their big sire, so as to prove their sire had the goods, and to draw more mares to the sire. of course now it's turned into winning a few races so you can try to make a sire out of the sons of a sire. of course, times have changed with commercial operations-but wouldn't it also be in a farms best interest to keep top colts on the track?? then they don't have as much competition for their sires line.
or is this just a waste of thought??

One horse is not going to help much for a stallion like Kipling. Everyone just assumes Kip Deville is a fluke. Kipling is really a pretty good regional stallion that doesnt need to be in KY. I really dont know when the "good old days" of stallions would be if not now in the age of 100+ mare books.

Street Cry is standing for $150k, he doesnt need much help anymore.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

One horse is not going to help much for a stallion like Kipling. Everyone just assumes Kip Deville is a fluke. Kipling is really a pretty good regional stallion that doesnt need to be in KY. I really dont know when the "good old days" of stallions would be if not now in the age of 100+ mare books.

Street Cry is standing for $150k, he doesnt need much help anymore.

While Kipling isnt one of the six figure studs, Kip did help him double his fee and I would think that is very good for an Ok breed.

[richard burch]

I agree that it would be great if more horses raced as 4 yo's. I think part of the reason horses are retired at 3 is risk of injury not necessarily racing expenses.

Wouldn't it have been great to see Street Sense and Hard Spun compete with Curlin this past year?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I agree that it would be great if more horses raced as 4 yo's. I think part of the reason horses are retired at 3 is risk of injury not necessarily racing expenses.

Wouldn't it have been great to see Street Sense and Hard Spun compete with Curlin this past year?

Hard Spun would have had to race between 7 and 9f's. Hard Spun might have been an elite turf mile?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Hard Spun would have had to race between 7 and 9f's. Hard Spun might have been an elite turf mile?

I would see a campaign that included the Carter, the Met Mile, Stephen Foster, Whitney..., - he might have found a weak 10f stakes to win, too, like the Hawthorne Gold Cup (which is G2 for a reason). The racing program these days is geared for 9f horses (Donn stealing the thunder of the GP Hcp, Mass Cap, Monmouth's big hcp reduced to 9f). Hard Spun was a tough and talented racehorse who could have made a lot of $$, if allowed to. But Hard Spun also may be the last really good racehorse sired by Danzig and could make more cash covering 150 mares.

And yes, I think he would turf pretty well - his mum was talented on turf - but there is far more money on dirt.

[sumitas]

Just go ahead and write your checks if you feel so strong about your sires .