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10-29-2008, 08:31 PM
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Hands, leadership, feeling the pace of the game and adjusting accordingly. Anticipation on defense and positioning. no not stats. Worthless pile o crap in many cases. in baskeball one plays with other people. 
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10-29-2008, 08:39 PM
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Are you going to tell me that Larry Bird was a better defender than Lebron at any stage of his entire life? Or even close?
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10-29-2008, 08:46 PM
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You tell me who has better hands at Center/PowerForward than Tim Duncan. You tell me who sees the floor better than Steve Nash... Intangibles... get a clue and watch some games. Birds hands made him a much better defender than anyone with his lack of footspeed could ever have had. Birds ability to snag bad passes and still get off perfectly fluid shots was amazing. WTF is an intangible? He plays well on a Parkay floor? You attempt to mimmick silly sport caster that have no idea how to watch a game.
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10-29-2008, 08:55 PM
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10-29-2008, 09:01 PM
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My bad for being too passionate. The day I see Lebron James block out Big Ig's man by getting his butt into the legs I will chant a basketball mantra. You have to know what others on your team can an cannot do. When I see Lebron sprinting down the floor while slow as dried mud Ig is battling a guy Lebron was right next to for a rebound... Its sickening sometimes. And I did not start anything. Look back and see who responded to my player thread.
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10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
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You are characterizing Lebron as some sort of pretty boy when i dont think that is the case. Remember, he isnt a big. He is a smalll forward. The reason bird was underneath the basket so much is because he was too slow to guard the other team's three so most of the time he would draw the 4. But im sure you knew that.
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10-29-2008, 09:26 PM
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But Bird was an exceptional rebounder with no hops because his technique was exquisite. He blocked out at very good angles, used his strength when necessary, and played dirty. And balls did not go bouncing off his hands. If a quick rebound came down because of bairly glancing the rim, Bird snagged it. His reaction time was... bizarre it was so good.
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10-29-2008, 10:04 PM
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No doubt that LeBron takes too many 3's. But so does Kobe Bryant. In fact, Kobe takes far more than LeBron and his shooting % is not that much higher. And when it comes to ft/3pa ratio, LeBron is much better than Kobe. There are several ways of looking at it. Over the last four years:
3pt attempts Kobe-1718 LeBron-1356 FT attempts Kobe-2993 LeBron-2922 3pt % Kobe-34.8% LeBron-32.9% % of all shots that are 3pt attempts Kobe-24.7% LeBron-20.0% Both of them shoot far too many 3's and bail the defense out too much instead of putting more pressure on them by driving more. I don't think his not being good at the line diminishes his driving ability because it still has other positive functions besides his ability to make the ft's. It gets the other team in foul trouble earlier and makes them use the bench more. It draws attention to him and leaves his teammates open for open shots or unblocked for offensive rebound chances. I think making the ft's would definitely enhance his game but not making them doesn't diminish it. At least I don't think so. Ateam, when I said I wanted to have Jordan or Kobe shooting the jumper, you've got to keep in context. It was the lesser of two evils. Of course you don't back off and give them open shots. But with great players, you can't take everything away from them and I'd rather live with them taking 20 footers than driving and getting in the lane.
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#10
10-29-2008, 09:03 PM
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LOL. Larry Bird was a defensive liability and anyone from his era would say the same thing. Yeah, hands made him a good defender. LOL
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10-29-2008, 09:19 PM
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And I am from his era. I watched all Birds college games when they finally started televising him (Indiana St. was not a big draw). And I hated his guts because of his mouth.
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#12
10-29-2008, 09:27 PM
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Bird was a great player, one of the all time greats for sure and no one would argue that. But defensively? He was a liability. Anyone knows that "hands" can't make you a good defender. You dont defend with your hands, you defend with your feet. He was too slow to guard the other team's 3 and they put cornbread and then later 7 foot kevin mchale on the other team's small forward because Bird would get lit up every time he was on the perimeter. With the Three point line moved in and the game being much faster today, Bird would be really difficult to hide.
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#13
10-29-2008, 09:38 PM
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Yes feet. Of course feet. But hands can clearly make up partially for foot speed. Bird would make steals on players that would try to set him up before the dribble by poking the ball loose. I saw this happen so many times. I never said Bird was a great defender. But he was adequate because of anticipation and hand speed to make up for lack of foot speed. What players do you know of that have quick feet for defense but lack quick hands for poking prodding and getting a hand in the face off a shot? If you do know of them, they are NOT good defenders. And I thought we were discussing "intangibles"? What are those? Please.
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