Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-27-2008, 07:26 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Let me ask you this, who is going to win the champion sprinter for the year?

I have no idea who would even be qualified. I guess Midnite Lute might simply because he won the theoretical biggest race but you would have to tell me who is even in the hunt. The three NY Grade 1s were won by Bustin Stones, First Defence and Black Seventeen. I find it hard to believe any of them are in the running. Divine park won the Met....and basically nothing else. How could he be involved.

I am annoyed now that I even spent 30 seconds thinking about it.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:15 PM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I have no idea who would even be qualified. I guess Midnite Lute might simply because he won the theoretical biggest race but you would have to tell me who is even in the hunt. The three NY Grade 1s were won by Bustin Stones, First Defence and Black Seventeen. I find it hard to believe any of them are in the running. Divine park won the Met....and basically nothing else. How could he be involved.

I am annoyed now that I even spent 30 seconds thinking about it.
See, by far the best sprinter on accomplishment has been Street Boss, and he ran solid this past weekend, yet it did not even cross your eastern biased mind.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:17 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
See, by far the best sprinter on accomplishment has been Street Boss, and he ran solid this past weekend, yet it did not even cross your eastern biased mind.

No, I was pointing out that there was no East Coast horse that could realistically be considered. By inference, it pretty much had to be a West Coast based horse. Though, Indian Blessing will be one of the three finalists I assume.

Which West Coast based horse won the most Grade 1s sprinting. You might want to think about this one.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:19 PM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No, I was pointing out that there was no East Coast horse that could realistically be considered. By inference, it pretty much had to be a West Coast based horse. Though, Indian Blessing will be one of the three finalists I assume.

Which West Coast based horse won the most Grade 1s sprinting. You might want to think about this one.
Intagaroo and you know I pointed it out elsewhere that she won the west, midwest, and east coasts grade 1 sprint events, something to my knowledge never has happened before.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:21 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Intagaroo and you know I pointed it out elsewhere that she won the west, midwest, and east coasts grade 1 sprint events, something to my knowledge never has happened before.

I missed that post....but yes.

Of course, she shouldn't be considered, but it is interesting.

I wonder which three of Midnight Lute, Street Boss, Indian Blessing and Benny the Bull will be the finalists.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:32 PM
dalakhani's Avatar
dalakhani dalakhani is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Washington dc
Posts: 5,277
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I missed that post....but yes.

Of course, she shouldn't be considered, but it is interesting.

I wonder which three of Midnight Lute, Street Boss, Indian Blessing and Benny the Bull will be the finalists.
benny the bull, midnight lute and street boss in my opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-27-2008, 11:55 PM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I missed that post....but yes.

Of course, she shouldn't be considered, but it is interesting.

I wonder which three of Midnight Lute, Street Boss, Indian Blessing and Benny the Bull will be the finalists.
I know which one I dont want.

BTB win in Dubai technically is not counted right?

Midnight Lute won the sprint but finsihed 7th the other run, I dont like rewarding a 2 race season with an Eclipse, though he is the best horse by a distance of the group.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-28-2008, 12:24 AM
letswastemoney's Avatar
letswastemoney letswastemoney is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turlock, CA
Posts: 2,561
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I know which one I dont want.

BTB win in Dubai technically is not counted right?

Midnight Lute won the sprint but finsihed 7th the other run, I dont like rewarding a 2 race season with an Eclipse, though he is the best horse by a distance of the group.
If the Dubai World Cup counts for Curlin, why wouldn't a sprint race in Dubai count for BTB?? That would be a gross double standard.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-28-2008, 12:14 AM
King Glorious's Avatar
King Glorious King Glorious is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Beaumont, CA
Posts: 4,614
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I missed that post....but yes.

Of course, she shouldn't be considered, but it is interesting.

I wonder which three of Midnight Lute, Street Boss, Indian Blessing and Benny the Bull will be the finalists.
I thought there were two seperate awards for males and females. I don't know who gets it for males but I'd probably vote for Midnight Lute. For the females, even though I think Indian Blessing is the better one, I'd vote for Intangaroo. I don't see how Intangaroo's record doesn't trump Indian Blessing's. Indian Blessing won two grade one's sprinting and both were against 3yo fillies. She beat open company once, in a grade two. None of the horses that completed the exactas and tris in those three races have done anything of note, save for maybe one or two grade three wins. Meanwhile, Intangaroo won three open company grade one races and two of them, the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina were on real dirt. In those races, she beat Baroness Thatcher, Hystericalady, Miraculous Miss, and Sugar Swirl, all graded stakes winners and gave them all weight while doing it. Based on record, it's really not even close.
__________________
The real horses of the year (1986-2020)
Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-28-2008, 12:25 AM
Indian Charlie's Avatar
Indian Charlie Indian Charlie is offline
Goodwood
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 8,708
Default

Champion filly sprinter has to be IB or Ventura. Intangaroo lost too many times, and was soundly beaten in the BC.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-28-2008, 12:29 AM
King Glorious's Avatar
King Glorious King Glorious is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Beaumont, CA
Posts: 4,614
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not that I think she deserves it based on overall accomplishments, but why not Ventura for filly sprinter, if there is such a thing? She won a grade 2 at Keeneland and crushed both Indian Blessing and Intangaroo. If turf horses can come here and win a race and get an eclipse, why not her?
You'd get no argument from me accept that I don't want to reward a filly who's only two sprint wins came on synthetics when there are two deserving candidates with dirt wins.
__________________
The real horses of the year (1986-2020)
Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.