Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Was it a normal track earlier this year when Bob Black Jack set the 6f record?

No that is a joke too. If you want to believe that the tracks at Santa Anita are normal or have any relation to what has been run over for the last 100 or so years fine. I am not a synthetic track hater either but thinking that any track or stakes records set at Santa Anita this year has much validity is silly.

[letswastemoney]

It's a third surface. How can it be compared to past SA records?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's a third surface. How can it be compared to past SA records?

good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.

So when a track decides to re-installed its turf/sod, which numerous tracks have done over the years, should they lose their Graded status as well?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

So when a track decides to re-installed its turf/sod, which numerous tracks have done over the years, should they lose their Graded status as well?

you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?

I sure am..

[Danzig]

well, imo-which means nothing to the graded stakes committe, i don't think it's comparable. the only thing the main track has in common with the old main tracks that were real dirt is that they still aren't green.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.

track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe

i just think that if a race can lose it's graded status when a race is moved from turf to main for instance, that the argument could be made about changing from dirt to awt. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

Exactly my point

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just think that if a race can lose it's graded status when a race is moved from turf to main for instance, that the argument could be made about changing from dirt to awt. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

only if it is a off the turf race. Havent there been races that have gone from dirt races to turf races and maintained the same status? lots of races switch distances all the time with no change in grades. The graded system is in need of a complete overhaul anyway

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

only if it is a off the turf race. Havent there been races that have gone from dirt races to turf races and maintained the same status? lots of races switch distances all the time with no change in grades. The graded system is in need of a complete overhaul anyway

i don't know about dirt to turf. but if they don't lose it, why do they take it for going to the main track? that makes no sense...
but it is due an overhaul.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No that is a joke too. If you want to believe that the tracks at Santa Anita are normal or have any relation to what has been run over for the last 100 or so years fine. I am not a synthetic track hater either but thinking that any track or stakes records set at Santa Anita this year has much validity is silly.

Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.

yeah there are scarier things to worry about, say for instance Tony Reyes

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

yeah there are scarier things to worry about, say for instance Tony Reyes

None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by pba1817

None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.

yikes being in Cali I thought you wouldnt have to deal with that weather hassle. So how did you make out today with the horsies

[pba1817]

I'm in Wichita KS(no OTB or tracks near here) and I will be on the road for the next 7 weeks for "work".

[Danzig]

well, i hope he gets to keep midnight lute in training...because i don't know what will happen with midshipman because of his new owners.
and then i read this from drf:


Where and how Midshipman prepares for next year's Kentucky Derby is uncertain. John Ferguson, a racing adviser for Sheikh Mohammed said "there's every possibility" the horse could winter in Dubai and be transferred to trainer Saeed bin Suroor, but "nothing's definite".


at least he has vineyard haven.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, i hope he gets to keep midnight lute in training...because i don't know what will happen with midshipman because of his new owners.
and then i read this from drf:


Where and how Midshipman prepares for next year's Kentucky Derby is uncertain. John Ferguson, a racing adviser for Sheikh Mohammed said "there's every possibility" the horse could winter in Dubai and be transferred to trainer Saeed bin Suroor, but "nothing's definite".


at least he has vineyard haven.

He is by Unbridleds Song and out of an Avenue of Flags mare.
He'll be lucky if he can still walk by next May.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.

worrying about and not recognizing arent really the same thing. If the times are so unimportant then why do we bother keeping them?