Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He made the move that won most of the BC "dirt" races this year. Just wasnt good enough. Losing to Ravens Pass isnt something to be ashamed of. Getting outfinished for third by Tiago is. The last 2 races he won by small margins over weak horses were chalked up to his only doing what he had to do to win. I still believe he just isnt as great as his fans believe him to be and has been fortunate to run in the era of the worst older horses, probably ever. He is a very good horse but not in the top 50 of all time and certainly not the best of the last 25 years. Clever Trevor, by the way, would be a full fledged star nowadays.

Agreed.

[Seattleallstar]

Curlin would get his ass handed to him by Zarkava just like Rags bitched slapped him in Belmont

[Danzig]

one question i have...after seeing how the classic went, how would zenyatta have handled the race?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Curlin would get his ass handed to him by Zarkava just like Rags bitched slapped him in Belmont

Jerry...I can't think of a horse in this world that Zarkava wouldn't bitch slap. She is a freak of nature.

[Betsy]

I have no feelings for or against Curlin, but I didn't understand Randy Moss' comment that the Classic in NO WAY (I capitalized this because that's how strongly he said it) diminishes his reputation. Now this I dispute. It's not fair to say that had he won, Curlin would have been the best horse in the last 25 years (I wonder who decided that, by the way) because, presumably, he'd have overcome an unfamilar surface and tough Euro challengers, yet in the same breath say that the loss has no effect on his standing in racing history. You can't have it both ways. I don't think Curlin's reputation as a very good horse was diminished, but his historical reputation as a great horse was.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I have no feelings for or against Curlin, but I didn't understand Randy Moss' comment that the Classic in NO WAY (I capitalized this because that's how strongly he said it) diminishes his reputation. Now this I dispute. It's not fair to say that had he won, Curlin would have been the best horse in the last 25 years (I wonder who decided that, by the way) because, presumably, he'd have overcome an unfamilar surface and tough Euro challengers, yet in the same breath say that the loss has no effect on his standing in racing history. You can't have it both ways. I don't think Curlin's reputation as a very good horse was diminished, but his historical reputation as a great horse was.

i think he meant it shouldn't diminish what he's accomplished up to today.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he meant it shouldn't diminish what he's accomplished up to today.

Well, yes - that's absolutely true. ESPN was full of drama queens today, though. Was it William Nack doing those breathless profiles of various horses? Every time Curlin's name was mentioned, it was always followed by "possibly/probably best horse of the last 25 years". Annoying. Nonetheless, there's nothing to knock about this guy.

[King Glorious]

I had to listen to the races on mute cause I was sick of hearing that title. He's not even in the conversation and that was before he lost today. He's not even the best of this decade. Hell, he's not even the best of this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Well, yes - that's absolutely true. ESPN was full of drama queens today, though. Was it William Nack doing those breathless profiles of various horses? Every time Curlin's name was mentioned, it was always followed by "possibly/probably best horse of the last 25 years". Annoying. Nonetheless, there's nothing to knock about this guy.

it just seems like when they do a broadcast and gush about a particular horse, they curse him. it happened with war pass earlier this year. they went on and on (and on and on) about how good he looked, he was slew all over, yada yada...and then the horse finished last.
then you had big brown, on and on about how he was about to win the tc. oops.
and then curlin yesterday. i know they're probably thinking they're building excitement and tension. imo they're just building a headache between my temples.

now, had pacheco and goldberg got into a fight, that would have made the broadcast just great.

i still wonder tho....why the change in seating arrangements? did he bitch, or did she???