Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[10 pnt move up]

time is really irrelevant isnt it, as long as the track is safe. The turf course all meet has been crazy fast, but safe, where is the thread about that?

I just wish the pro ride would stop producing such crazy winners and prices, todays Breeders Cup was brutal on form.

[Round Pen]

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

[Round Pen]

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

slower, but it will be better then 2:00, but that happened from time to time with good horses.

[dellinger63]

not sure of that but let's see 6F

[dellinger63]

water the track

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Here's a thought the old Dirt track record for a 1 1/4 was 157.4 set by the great Spectacular Bid now do you think the classic tomorrow will be Over or Under the old track record Mark.

My self I say they go slower

If they go faster I will officially kill myself

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

your argument would hold more water if they had been set by fillies on the same day.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I just went back and did a little research here is the old track records at SA when it was a dirt course.

6f-107.1
6 1/2f-113.3
7f-120 flat
1 1/16th 139 flat
1 1/8-145.4


So in ernest the only race that went faster than any of the previous dirt records were the filly and mare sprint and to be exact it was .10 faster.

SO to me to say the day was a joke just because the track was to fast is completely out there. I really think the times would have been very comparible if the races would have been on the old SA dirt track

Those old records also were set over the course of many years. Not all in one day. Look at the BC days at SA in the past:

1986
J-143 4/5
JF-143 1/5
S-108 2/5
D-201 1/5 (10f)
C-200 2/5

1993
J-142.99
JF-143.08
S-108.76
D-148.35
C-200.83

2003
J-143.62
JF-142.75
S-107.95
D-149.17
C-159.88

So you see that in the F/M Sprint, they went the 6f split today faster than all three previous BC finals times for the boys. You see that Stardom Bound went 1.76 seconds faster than every J or JF winner. You see that Zenyatta went 1.5 seconds faster than the next best Distaff winner. Now, to be fair, it's quite possible that Stardom Bound and Zenyatta could turn out to be all-time horses or at least better than the horses that ran those previous BC times. But it's more likely that the track was playing faster than it ever has than those horses all happened to run exceptionally fast horses all on the same day.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Those old records also were set over the course of many years. Not all in one day. Look at the BC days at SA in the past:

1986
J-143 4/5
JF-143 1/5
S-108 2/5
D-201 1/5 (10f)
C-200 2/5

1993
J-142.99
JF-143.08
S-108.76
D-148.35
C-200.83

2003
J-143.62
JF-142.75
S-107.95
D-149.17
C-159.88

So you see that in the F/M Sprint, they went the 6f split today faster than all three previous BC finals times for the boys. You see that Stardom Bound went 1.76 seconds faster than every J or JF winner. You see that Zenyatta went 1.5 seconds faster than the next best Distaff winner. Now, to be fair, it's quite possible that Stardom Bound and Zenyatta could turn out to be all-time horses or at least better than the horses that ran those previous BC times. But it's more likely that the track was playing faster than it ever has than those horses all happened to run exceptionally fast horses all on the same day.

I am just wondering why you are comparing pro ride times to previous dirt times, I think its pretty well established that they are not comparable.

[Round Pen]

King I understand that the Track is much faster and from what I understand the hotter it is the faster it gets. But my point is it was possible on the old dirt track for these horses to run the type of times that they ran today. it doesn't mean they would have but it was possible.

The 2 races for me tomorrow that are very interesting to me concerning time are the sprint and the classic. COuld the sprint run Sub 107 it's extremely possible. And the classic I am not going to be as dramatic and kill myself like Cannon but who knows the way the track was today, Could they run 158 and change absolutely but we will see. your thoughts on those 2 races and times tomorrow

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

King I understand that the Track is much faster and from what I understand the hotter it is the faster it gets. But my point is it was possible on the old dirt track for these horses to run the type of times that they ran today. it doesn't mean they would have but it was possible.

The 2 races for me tomorrow that are very interesting to me concerning time are the sprint and the classic. COuld the sprint run Sub 107 it's extremely possible. And the classic I am not going to be as dramatic and kill myself like Cannon but who knows the way the track was today, Could they run 158 and change absolutely but we will see. your thoughts on those 2 races and times tomorrow

Yes, it was possible to do it on the old track. But do you realize that the old 1:20 flat for 7f has been broken by at least three different horses this year? In addition to Ventura going 1:19.90 today, Indian Blessing and Golden Doc A both went 1:19 4/5 earlier this year. The old record was held by a horse named Spectacular Bid. So I'm supposed to believe that a record set by a horse like that, one that's lasted almost 30 years, was bettered three times, twice by 3yo fillies (IB's first start of the year) and that track is no faster than the previous track was? Yes, it is possible that on the old dirt, they could have gone as fast as they did today but the likelyhood is very, very low that that many horses would have challenged or broken track records on the same day. Just because they were BC horses doesn't mean they are the fastest horses in the world, as evidenced by the last three times BC's have been held there.

As for tomorrow, if it plays like today, I'd predict times in the following ranges:
Marathon-2:27
Dirt Mile-1:32 3/5 to 1:33 3/5
Juvenile-1:41 2/5 to 1:42
Sprint-1:07 to 1:07 3/5
Classic-1:58 to 1:59

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As for tomorrow, if it plays like today, I'd predict times in the following ranges:
Marathon-2:27
Dirt Mile-1:32 3/5 to 1:33 3/5
Juvenile-1:41 2/5 to 1:42
Sprint-1:07 to 1:07 3/5
Classic-1:58 to 1:59

Actuals
Marathon-2:28.24
Dirt Mile-1:33.41
Juvenile-1:40.94 (fastest ever, barely beating out Stardom Bound)
Sprint-1:07.08 (fastest ever)
Classic-1:59.27 (3rd fastest ever)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

time is really irrelevant isnt it, as long as the track is safe. The turf course all meet has been crazy fast, but safe, where is the thread about that?

I just wish the pro ride would stop producing such crazy winners and prices, todays Breeders Cup was brutal on form.

time is never irrelevant unless you are winning with a slow time (then you call it irrelevant)

the turf is usually fast because of dry weather

The sprint and Ladies classic and 2 yo fillies were hardly unformful. They were all won by logical horses with logical horses behind.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The sprint and Ladies classic and 2 yo fillies were hardly unformful. They were all won by logical horses with logical horses behind.

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

I'm sorry, due to the inane postings from some around here lately i am never quite sure anymore. I mean a guy who actually has half a clue thinks wait a while ran a far better race that Forever together...