Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure partly that is true. But you have to understand, we're talking about a horse that has made 3 lifetime starts. He ran well in the Peter Pan, but that certainly hasn't come back a good race. It was a grade 2 in name only. It just is strange to me that people are talking so highly of a horse that will be such underlaid odds. Basically because of who his dam has produced. It just doesn't make much sense to me from a betting perspective.

So, what would you take as fair odds in the win spot?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

At least 30 to 1.

He's still an underlay at 30:1.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's still an underlay at 30:1.

Not really. 12-1 is a solid line on him. There is no early speed and he could easily wire this field. Plus he has a win over the track.

[slotdirt]

That "win over the track" angle is always a great barometer. Court Vision, for example, parlayed that angle into a successful 13th place finish in this year's Derby.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

That "win over the track" angle is always a great barometer. Court Vision, for example, parlayed that angle into a successful 13th place finish in this year's Derby.

Yes, myself I usually prefer a win over good horses to a win over the track. But, hey, to each his ( or her ) own. Maybe beating 25K claimers, while driving, 13 days before the BC Classic has Casino Drive right where they want him.

However, if nobody knew who his dam was, and the race was oversubscribed, people would be screaming bloody murder that he was even allowed in the race. The bottom line is that he has absolutely no credentials.

It's funny, personally, I would be happy to see him do well. His connections were at Belmont for weeks and seemed really great. But, objectively this situation is a bit curious. He belongs in the BC because he's related to Rags to Riches? OK......that makes sense.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, myself I usually prefer a win over good horses to a win over the track. But, hey, to each his ( or her ) own. Maybe beating 25K claimers, while driving, 13 days before the BC Classic has Casino Drive right where they want him.

However, if nobody knew who his dam was, and the race was oversubscribed, people would be screaming bloody murder that he was even allowed in the race. The bottom line is that he has absolutely no credentials.

It's funny, personally, I would be happy to see him do well. His connections were at Belmont for weeks and seemed really great. But, objectively this situation is a bit curious. He belongs in the BC because he's related to Rags to Riches? OK......that makes sense.

Well I like watching him because he is related to Jazil but that is another story. I agree with you but I do think he showed alot for a horse with very little experience to make a run like that in the Peter Pan. Showed alot of maturity. Do I think he has a chance in the classic? Too much would have to fall his way. The game is interesting in that how many times have we said that and the race falls their way. I have no doubt the horse will be fit. But I agree with you, his connnections were great. Very respectful even in the face of a Dutrow onslaught as I recall. And very strange training methods. They work very slow but they walk their horses forever both before and after works. How much lactic acid can a horse accumulate! I kept seeing them walking Casino Drive around Zito's barn for a couple of hours. He will add some interest. But I really don't think their will be anyone catching Curlin. And he should go out as the monster he is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Well I like watching him because he is related to Jazil but that is another story. I agree with you but I do think he showed alot for a horse with very little experience to make a run like that in the Peter Pan. Showed alot of maturity. Do I think he has a chance in the classic? Too much would have to fall his way. The game is interesting in that how many times have we said that and the race falls their way. I have no doubt the horse will be fit. But I agree with you, his connnections were great. Very respectful even in the face of a Dutrow onslaught as I recall. And very strange training methods. They work very slow but they walk their horses forever both before and after works. How much lactic acid can a horse accumulate! I kept seeing them walking Casino Drive around Zito's barn for a couple of hours. He will add some interest. But I really don't think their will be anyone catching Curlin. And he should go out as the monster he is.

do you take into consideration the uh..ahem, depth of the field he was facing that day? or perhaps i should say lack of depth.