Mike Scioscia is an utter moron

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You got me, Chuck. I've only been watching and playing the game since I was four years old, so I couldn't possibly know the things you do from yakking on NerdyTrail and playing fantasy baseball all year long.

That's what this is about, isn't it? You're convinced that I don't know anything about baseball, so any point I make, you'll provide the counterpoint.

That's cool, but I still say that if Scioscia doesn't make that call, the Angels would've scored at least one point in that quarter.

You say things like the reason that the sox got hits against Shields was because the had "new life" and you want baseball cred? Maybe you could have said that they had two lefties against shields that inning, one who would have had the game winning hit if it were not for a great play by Teixiera. You want to be praised for your knowledge and you gave me momemtum and new life. Sounds like a religious experience. You refuse to discuss what happened and why it may have occured other than Mike Scioscia is a moron. You may be correct in that the call was a risky one. But to ignore the other factors makes me believe you dont really get it despite your lengthy experience. You think I simply disagree when I pointed out that the play was only a failure because of failed execution. If Eli Manning fumbles a snap on the 3 yard line is it a bad play coughlin called? Is it the coaches fault? Aybar fumbled. Not Scioscia.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You want to be praised for your knowledge.

LOL, WTF? No I don't. I want you to go back to being the cool guy I knew, rather than the holier than thou cantankerous dick you've become on this board.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, WTF? No I don't. I want you to go back to being the cool guy I knew, rather than the holier than thou cantankerous dick you've become on this board.

LOL...I know one thing. This debate is a lot better than the one they are gunna televise tonite.

[King Glorious]

Maybe I'm old or something but I seem to remember a time when managers didn't have to bring in a different pitcher for every batter. A guy that was left handed threw to batters on both sides. So did a guy that was right handed. Nowdays, they have totally messed the game up. If a guy gives you five innings, he's done his job. If he throws 100 pitches, he's got to come out. They use 3-4 relief pitchers to get through the next three innings then bring in a guy that can't pitch more than one inning per game and even with that, can't do it for more than five games in a row. God forbid bringing in a closer to pitch two innings. I wish there were guys like Gibson or Ryan playing today. I'd love to see them kick a manager's ass right on the mound for coming to pull them in some of the situations we see guys pulled for today.

[King Glorious]

Funny how things work. He makes the bunt and the run scores and the manager is called a genius for having the guts to call that play when conventional wisdom would have said not too. They would have been talking about how he's aggressive and takes chances. Players would have been talking about why they love playing for him. But the guy misses and it's a stupid play. I believe it was the execution of the play (or lack thereof) that was bad, not the call itself.

It reminds me of a situation some years ago in basketball. The Pistons were down by a point and had the ball for the final possession. Isiah Thomas told the team that he was taking the shot. Period. He said after this shot, he'd either be the goat or the hero but he was the one that was taking the shot. It was the right decision. I don't think that looking at results after a play can be used to determine if the play was the right one to make or not. You hire a guy like Scioscia and live with what he brings you. You trust him to go with his gut instint. Another situation that comes to mind is the 2005 NCAA basketball final. UNC was leading Illinois in a tight game and Ray Felton picked up his second foul pretty early in the first half. Now, 95% of the coaches out there would have taken him out. Roy Williams probably would have taken him out any other time. But he went against conventional thinking and left him in there and UNC went on a spurt that kept them in control and things worked out. Now, if Felton had picked up his third, Williams looks like an idiot. But instead, he looked like a genius. You just have to go with your instincts.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, WTF? No I don't. I want you to go back to being the cool guy I knew, rather than the holier than thou cantankerous dick you've become on this board.

so if i vote for Obama and say Sarah Palin is a fool and Mike Scioscia is an idiot and Isreal sucks I am back to being cool? My entire contention was that Aybar was the goat for missing the pitch, not Scioscia for making the call. you may or not agree about the call but you have to agree that Aybar is to blame for not even making contact. He is a freaking major leager starter who is an excellent bunter and he whiffs? The call may or not have been the right one, we can never really know, but the lack of execution was the screw up. If believing this makes me a dick then so be it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I'd like to know how Mike managed this mediocre team to 100 wins. I guess it's a pretty weak division, but still that's pretty good for this bunch. Santana has the heart of a ladybug. I don't know how he somehow managed that one into winning 16 games. See, I would know how he did it if it was watchable, but I just can't seem to make it through a full Halo game during the regular season.

[alysheba4]

botton line is i am f$%king tired of the played out red sox.......the california angels are complete choke artists, v.g needs to go, see ya k " choke " rod......looks like a ratings disaster between the rays and philly.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

botton line is i am f$%king tired of the played out red sox.......the california angels are complete choke artists, v.g needs to go, see ya k " choke " rod......looks like a ratings disaster between the rays and philly.

And what if Manny and the Dodgers end up playing the Red Sox? Would that be ratings nirvana?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

And what if Manny and the Dodgers end up playing the Red Sox? Would that be ratings nirvana?

.....THAT IT WOULD.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'd like to know how Mike managed this mediocre team to 100 wins. I guess it's a pretty weak division, but still that's pretty good for this bunch. Santana has the heart of a ladybug. I don't know how he somehow managed that one into winning 16 games. See, I would know how he did it if it was watchable, but I just can't seem to make it through a full Halo game during the regular season.

.......just think if they were in the hapless n.l. he might have won 135

[declansharbor]

Bottom line. This 3 page thread wouldnt even exist if Aybar makes contact with the ball. (foul ball bunt even, as it would have changed the complexion of the count.)

Would there be a thread devoted to the Halo's manager if the call worked? (which it should have) I, for one, agree with the call. It just didnt turn out the intended way.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Bottom line. This 3 page thread wouldnt even exist if Aybar makes contact with the ball. (foul ball bunt even, as it would have changed the complexion of the count.)

Would there be a thread devoted to the Halo's manager if the call worked? (which it should have) I, for one, agree with the call. It just didnt turn out the intended way.

It was probably the worst situation of the entire series in which to try it. I don't give a **** if it worked or not. If it had worked, I would've shrugged and said, 'hey, that was a pretty stupid decision to make, but at least it worked.' You 'agree' with the call? Why? And don't give me that nonsense about Aybar having nine sacrifices. There are plenty of great bunters in baseball, but most managers would have the sense to not be that needlessly risky when everything is on their side.