Longchamp

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

From the Is Anybody Shocked By This? department......

Aga Khan, "The filly won't run again this season and we don't know for the moment whether she will stay in training next year."

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/int...o-win-Arc.aspx


Let's hope we get to see her run again next year.

We can only hope, but really, what else is there left for her to prove? She is a freak of nature and obviously worth who knows how much $$ right now..(Not that he would ever sell her...never know tho) Be too risky for her to run and get beat and put a damper on her stardom as it is today.
I say we have seen her last race.

[Danzig]

i'd like to see her run at least double digit starts. seven starts. i'd think she still has a lot to prove.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd like to see her run at least double digit starts. seven starts. i'd think she still has a lot to prove.

I guess if they really wanted to push her, they could bring her to the States for the Breeders Cup. I believe their answer when asked if she would run was "Hell No".

[Danzig]

i can see why they wouldn't bring her here. i just don't see why she won't ever run again.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can see why they wouldn't bring her here. i just don't see why she won't ever run again.

I agree. She really doesn't have to prove anything by running in the U.S. But I'd like to see her stay in training for next year. Females usually do only because they just aren't worth as much as the boys in the 'post racing' career. I hope she follows in the footsteps of a mare like Quija Board and continues racing.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

We can only hope, but really, what else is there left for her to prove? She is a freak of nature and obviously worth who knows how much $$ right now..(Not that he would ever sell her...never know tho) Be too risky for her to run and get beat and put a damper on her stardom as it is today.
I say we have seen her last race.

She is a female that can produce 1 offspring/year. She's not worth a fraction of what an undefeated Arc winning 3 yr old colt would be.

I am assuming, since the Aga Khan has a breeding operation and a lot of money, that she will stay home. If he just adds her to his broodmare string, what is she really worth. It's all about what her babies do and at one per year, the odds are greatly stacked against her.

Make no mistake about it, they can do whatever they want with her, but it would be nice to see her run again. I don't think any losses, at this point, will greatly reduce her value. She will always be the Arc winner....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

She is a female that can produce 1 offspring/year. She's not worth a fraction of what an undefeated Arc winning 3 yr old colt would be.

I am assuming, since the Aga Khan has a breeding operation and a lot of money, that she will stay home. If he just adds her to his broodmare string, what is she really worth. It's all about what her babies do and at one per year, the odds are greatly stacked against her.

Make no mistake about it, they can do whatever they want with her, but it would be nice to see her run again. I don't think any losses, at this point, will greatly reduce her value. She will always be the Arc winner....

I would suggest she will run next year although what do you want her to run against fillies? older horses? or just try and repeat her Arc performance in 09. It's a tough spot for the Aga khan she really can't do much more on the track and breeding her so young is hardly idea for the fans..

How about this brillance for from Simon Bray after Carriage Trail romped in the Spinster.."her broodmare value just went sky high"? Huh Simon when does Phipps/Janney sell Grade 1 winners? Her broodmare value is zero was zero and will always be zero unless they decide to disband the operation which isn't real likely..

[Danzig]

what i would like to see her do next year is to continue to take on the best competition in her races, regardless of who that may be or where it would take place.

as for comments on broodmare value, it just shows that some folks-whether on tv or elsewhere, don't really think about the particular individual before opening their mouth.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what i would like to see her do next year is to continue to take on the best competition in her races, regardless of who that may be or where it would take place.

as for comments on broodmare value, it just shows that some folks-whether on tv or elsewhere, don't really think about the particular individual before opening their mouth.

Look most likely the best in Europe will be 3 year old colts as the marketable good 3 year old colts will leave for stud. She cant race in the 3 year old colt races so she will be resigned to open female competition which will be a joke. What does she have to gain running 4 times against fillies and mares crushing them prepping for the Arc and hoping to beat the best new colt in the game? It's a tough spot and you kill your self if g-d forbid she takes a bad step and breaks down prepping for a race she has already run.. It's a tough spot I think I would breed her and give her a bunch of mints and smile alot knowing I owned one frickin fast filly. Of course as a fan I would love to watch her race but to use a often misused expression...She really has done enough!

Chaka Khan can do what he wants with the horse. She's done enough.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look most likely the best in Europe will be 3 year old colts as the marketable good 3 year old colts will leave for stud. She cant race in the 3 year old colt races so she will be resigned to open female competition which will be a joke. What does she have to gain running 4 times against fillies and mares crushing them prepping for the Arc and hoping to beat the best new colt in the game? It's a tough spot and you kill your self if g-d forbid she takes a bad step and breaks down prepping for a race she has already run.. It's a tough spot I think I would breed her and give her a bunch of mints and smile alot knowing I owned one frickin fast filly. Of course as a fan I would love to watch her race but to use a often misused expression...She really has done enough!

i don't believe there would be a dearth of competition. ouija board certainly found many to try her mettle, and the same can be said here.
she has NOT done enough. seven races should never be considered enough, regardless of what one of those races was, regardless of the manner in which it was one.
and if we were all to tiptoe around with these horses because one of them might take a bad step, then we need to shut down the whole damned operation.

as for the oh so cushy life of reproduction for her as a broodmare, that's no guarantee of a long life.

matter of fact, i wonder how the % of breakdown/euthanizations each year for fillies and mares compares to all those who die each year from foaling complications? i think it would be an eye opener for many.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for the oh so cushy life of reproduction for her as a broodmare, that's no guarantee of a long life.

That's a point- I don't know any women who would say being pregnant every year is a "cushy" gig.

She's the Aga Khan's horse; he can do what he wants, but it seems to me that very rarely does a really terrific filly replicate herself (I feel like Personal Ensign came closest, but still didn't produce anything close to what she was), so why the rush to breed, when likely the offspring won't run as well?

I know, I know... because the foals will sell for oodles of money before anyone finds out they don't run like their mama. I get it; money runs the game, but it doesn't stop a fan from being grumpy about it.

That said, can we please come up with some new descriptions for race callers to use besides "flying filly?" There must be some other alliterative adjectives. Fiery? Ferocious? Fearless? Fleet-footed?

*douche chills*

[CSC]

Though I would dearly love to see her run in The Breeders Cup, I cannot fault her connections for stopping on her, considering the Aga Khan operation is european based. I don't see how she can top an Arc win by going to the BC as an afterthought, as much as we like to think our racing is where everyone wants to race, it simply isn't so. Bring her back as a 4 yr old and hopefully the BC will be in their plans next year is the best case scenario.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by CSC

Though I would dearly love to see her run in The Breeders Cup, I cannot fault her connections for stopping on her, considering the Aga Khan operation is european based. I don't see how she can top an Arc win by going to the BC as an afterthought, as much as we like to think our racing is where everyone wants to race, it simply isn't so. Bring her back as a 4 yr old and hopefully the BC will be in their plans next year is the best case scenario.

Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

would you bet against her?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

would you bet against her?

On a synthetic she'd be tough to play against. Of course the Classic might be an impossible betting race anyways, she would just make it even more impossible.

[ateamstupid]

LOL @ all the sympathy and support for retirement. If this were an American three-year-old, everyone would be stomping their feet about how far the game has fallen and how horses aren't bred to race anymore. Kinda easy to ship her off to the shed when you'd never get to see her in person anyway.

LOL even harder @ sending her to the Classic, or any BC race for that matter. Who gives a crap about the BC anymore, much less the BC run over tires? It's a total crapshoot on synthetic, and frankly, she's too good for it.

Obviously, Khan can do whatever he wants with her, but in an era with so few truly special horses, it would be pretty lame to retire her after seven starts. If she were mine, and I didn't need the money, I think I'd feel like it was my duty to showcase her brilliance.

Why doesn't she have anything left to prove? There aren't other prestigous races that she could win? Has she really done it all? How do we know that there won't be any competition for her next year?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL even harder @ sending her to the Classic, or any BC race for that matter. Who gives a crap about the BC anymore, much less the BC run over tires? It's a total crapshoot on synthetic, and frankly, she's too good for it.

Regardless of the joke surface they are running the Classic on I still think an Arc/Classic double holds some weight in the world, and even moreso if a 3yo filly did it, a feat that may never be duplicated. And the fact that it is on the tires makes it more likely she could pull it off.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And the fact that it is on the tires makes it more likely she could pull it off.

I completely disagree with this.