So..no more free speech?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what? I told you what I believe about the Jewish culture led to their demise. I will add more. They did very little to defend themselves because they had found a very good spot in German socieity. The Jews on the whole did not really believe that Hitler was hell bent on their ruin, in part because of their willingness to hold on to their social position. The Jews kept telling themselves as things got worse and worse that it would get better because they figured they had a lot to lose. They did not realize they would lose all their possessions and their lives. Jews actually have very large arguements over the unwillingness to fight back.

Religious beliefs were NOT central.
And if they were define the specific beliefs.... PLEASE!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what?

Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

Please quit skirting the question.
I have given you some of what I believe.
Again:
Please explain how JEWISH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS irked Hitler enough for him to cook up the final solution. Please answre the question. You said the Jews were persecuted because of their RELIGION. Religion as I know it is characterized by certain beliefs about the creator, how to go to heaven... etcc... Please do this.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Please quit skirting the question.
I have given you some of what I believe.
Again:
Please explain how JEWISH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS irked Hitler enough for him to cook up the final solution. Please answre the question. You said the Jews were persecuted because of their RELIGION. Religion as I know it is characterized by certain beliefs about the creator, how to go to heaven... etcc... Please do this.

LOL. Poor Pgardn. Are you trying to change the argument? 7th grade debate rears its ugly head.

You already lost pal. Come up with something new.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. Poor Pgardn. Are you trying to change the argument? 7th grade debate rears its ugly head.

You already lost pal. Come up with something new.

Ok.
I see you in a whole new light.

You refuse to answer the question.

I will lay it out clearly:

1. The Jews were not persecuted because of their religious beliefs.
2. They were persecuted due to numerous social factors one of the major being that they were actually living fairly well in a severely depressed Germany. They were easy targets as they did not resist. And they could be used as scapegoats because "they had all the money" while Germans lived poorly. A mostly innaccurate assessment. The Germans rid the Jews of their business and money as retribution. They did not nail them to crosses. They stole their gold teeth.

What the hell is a religious belief Dalkani? What dont you get?


You are just wrong.
I dont know what more to say.
Go read some history.
At first I thought it was mere semantics but its not.

I know you are understanding what I am trying to say
because you are not dumb. But you are very, very disingenuious.

[Mortimer]

Not to pretend to be smarter than The Teacher and the Doorknob ( make a great book title)..but you are quite wrong, Dala.



The Jewish people were put into horrifying conditions because they all had ,as very bad luck would have , a common flaw in Hitlers eyes.The odds on this are tremendous..ie...that millions of people who were of one religion and way of life would all display the same Hitlerthink flaw.



But it had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Not to pretend to be smarter than The Teacher and the Doorknob ( make a great book title)..but you are quite wrong, Dala.



The Jewish people were put into horrifying conditions because they all had ,as very bad luck would have , a common flaw in Hitlers eyes.The odds on this are tremendous..ie...that millions of people who were of one religion and way of life would all display the same Hitlerthink flaw.



But it had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief.

Holy sht.
An honest person.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Holy sht.
An honest person.

i guess someone is honest if they agree with your flip flopped discussion changing point of view? LOL

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Holy sht.
An honest person.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs-pgardn

Which one is it Pgardn? Are you flipping back to it had "nothing" to do with religiuos beliefs or are we still at very, very little?

Or are you going to deny you posted this?

[Honu]

What pissed Hitler off was that after WW1 Gremany as a whole was a depressed place , except for the buisness smart Jewish folks who were educated and more buisness savvy than the rest of the tired broken down war vets . He saw the Jews (even if you just had a Jewish great great grandparent you were considered a Jew) as the one's taking money , jobs and food out of the German people's pockets and mouths. It was his only stance , his only platform to make himself a leader , he had to create a hatred of something or someone to get the people going.The Jews were an easy target , they had money , they owned business's , and they for the most part were doing the most good and he pounced on the chance that he could get the German people to revolt against them. It didnt matter if you were a practicing Jew or not you were a target , if you owned a buisness or appeared to have money weather you were 1/8 Jew or 100% you were to be hated.
I really think it didnt matter that they only believed in God and not Jesus , or if they were a Catholic Jew , it just mattered that you had Jew in you and it was Hitlers only way to become leader was to get the German people to hate them , which he did.