So..no more free speech?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Rather easy? ARE you fckn kidding me?

You dont even have an opinion.

In your haste to castrate another poster
you stepped overboard. I dont claim to be an expert.
But I have a clear opinion on why the Jews were persecuted.
It is a question that Jews themselves have argued endlessly
over. So give your opinion.

And it is not distorting it. It is a very important question for
the Jewish people themselves my friend. If you call looking deeply
into reasons distortion, then so be it.

In your haste to present yourself as the defender of the needy you miss the point...rather badly.

You are trying to act like you are an authority on Jewish history in Eastern Europe and all of the socioeconomic reasons behind the holocaust because you read a book. Im impressed.

I posted my equation earlier. Read it. It doesnt need to be complicated. Its simple. Sure there are other reasons behind what went on and no one ever denied that.

But to say that Jewish people didnt get killed because they are jewish is just dumb. Thats like saying that black people were enslaved because of skin color. Sure...you can make a case for all of the other factors that went down but...last i checked, the slaves in America were black for the most part. What differentiated them was race, what differentiated the jews was religion.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In your haste to present yourself as the defender of the needy you miss the point...rather badly.

You are trying to act like you are an authority on Jewish history in Eastern Europe and all of the socioeconomic reasons behind the holocaust because you read a book. Im impressed.

I posted my equation earlier. Read it. It doesnt need to be complicated. Its simple. Sure there are other reasons behind what went on and no one ever denied that.

But to say that Jewish people didnt get killed because they are jewish is just dumb. Thats like saying that black people were enslaved because of skin color. Sure...you can make a case for all of the other factors that went down but...last i checked, the slaves in America were black for the most part. What differentiated them was race, what differentiated the jews was religion.

Oh for gosh sakes.
Were did I say the bolded?
Honestly I respected you a lot more
than this. You claim that I distort, and you type something like this.
You take a cursory view of a very difficult subject
and make it like it is trivial and easy.

I will try once again if you really care:
Because I actually do. Why do you think Hitler and Germany
persecuted the Jews? This is not the first time Jews have been
persecuted and it is a very important topic of discussion as to
why... Very. The diaspora and subsequent persecutions is a
very important phenomena that seems to repeat.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh for gosh sakes.
Were did I say the bolded?
Honestly I respected you a lot more
than this. You claim that I distort, and you type something like this.
You take a cursory view of a very difficult subject
and make it like it is trivial and easy.

I will try once again if you really care:
Because I actually do. Why do you think Hitler and Germany
persecuted the Jews? This is not the first time Jews have been
persecuted and it is a very important topic of discussion as to
why... Very. The diaspora and subsequent persecutions is a
very important phenomena that seems to repeat.

Oh gosh sakes...I was intending to distort when thats all you have done here. Again, you act as if anyone wants to discuss the holocaust. I dont. I never said that i did nor did anyone else. You read mein kampf? Great...we are all happy for you. But that is not the point that was being made.

I will do the equation again. Judaism=religion. reason people killed= because they were jewish. To say that having judaism as your religion had nothing to do with your being killed during holocaust is just dumb.

Now if you keep arguing this silly point, i will be forced to email this entire thread to the texas board of education and you will be reprimanded for insanity.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh gosh sakes...I was intending to distort when thats all you have done here. Again, you act as if anyone wants to discuss the holocaust. I dont. I never said that i did nor did anyone else. You read mein kampf? Great...we are all happy for you. But that is not the point that was being made.

I will do the equation again. Judaism=religion. reason people killed= because they were jewish. To say that having judaism as your religion had nothing to do with your being killed during holocaust is just dumb.

Now if you keep arguing this silly point, i will be forced to email this entire thread to the texas board of education and you will be reprimanded for insanity.

Your equation is false, pure and simple..it's what's been fed to you for so long. You believe a delusion,numbers-boy!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Your equation is false, pure and simple..it's what's been fed to you for so long. You believe a delusion,numbers-boy!

LOL...why can't your GED class be on sundays? Hitler was a satanic devil worshipper too...right?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL...why can't your GED class be on sundays? Hitler was a satanic devil worshipper too...right?

Danzig brought up Hitlers' interest in the Occult, not I.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Danzig brought up Hitlers' interest in the Occult, not I.

this is incorrect. someone else said hitler was into satanism, and i called that into question.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh gosh sakes...I was intending to distort when thats all you have done here. Again, you act as if anyone wants to discuss the holocaust. I dont. I never said that i did nor did anyone else. You read mein kampf? Great...we are all happy for you. But that is not the point that was being made.

I will do the equation again. Judaism=religion. reason people killed= because they were jewish. To say that having judaism as your religion had nothing to do with your being killed during holocaust is just dumb.

Now if you keep arguing this silly point, i will be forced to email this entire thread to the texas board of education and you will be reprimanded for insanity.

I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

These are your words, no?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

These are your words, no?

ABSOLUTELY

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

ABSOLUTELY

Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what? I told you what I believe about the Jewish culture led to their demise. I will add more. They did very little to defend themselves because they had found a very good spot in German socieity. The Jews on the whole did not really believe that Hitler was hell bent on their ruin, in part because of their willingness to hold on to their social position. The Jews kept telling themselves as things got worse and worse that it would get better because they figured they had a lot to lose. They did not realize they would lose all their possessions and their lives. Jews actually have very large arguements over the unwillingness to fight back.

Religious beliefs were NOT central.
And if they were define the specific beliefs.... PLEASE!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what?

Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

[Honu]

What pissed Hitler off was that after WW1 Gremany as a whole was a depressed place , except for the buisness smart Jewish folks who were educated and more buisness savvy than the rest of the tired broken down war vets . He saw the Jews (even if you just had a Jewish great great grandparent you were considered a Jew) as the one's taking money , jobs and food out of the German people's pockets and mouths. It was his only stance , his only platform to make himself a leader , he had to create a hatred of something or someone to get the people going.The Jews were an easy target , they had money , they owned business's , and they for the most part were doing the most good and he pounced on the chance that he could get the German people to revolt against them. It didnt matter if you were a practicing Jew or not you were a target , if you owned a buisness or appeared to have money weather you were 1/8 Jew or 100% you were to be hated.
I really think it didnt matter that they only believed in God and not Jesus , or if they were a Catholic Jew , it just mattered that you had Jew in you and it was Hitlers only way to become leader was to get the German people to hate them , which he did.