So..no more free speech?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who said that?

Me.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know what I'm saying.

Let me ask you, would you disagree with the assessment that Dimmy has said some really dumb things on here lately?

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

How about the claim that the holocaust had nothing to do with religion?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How about the claim that the holocaust had nothing to do with religion?

Well it had a lot to do with finding a
convenient(sp?) scapegoat in a country
that was severely ecomonically depressed.
Jews had assimilated very well into German
society and were successful. And easy targets.

I dont think Hitler invented the final solution to
punish Jews for their refusal to consider Jesus Christ
as the messiah.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well it had a lot to do with finding a
convenient(sp?) scapegoat in a country
that was severely ecomonically depressed.
Jews had assimilated very well into German
society and were successful. And easy targets.

I dont think Hitler invented the final solution to
punish Jews for their refusal to consider Jesus Christ
as the messiah.

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Many people of the Jewish persuasion would tell you its a culture, more than a religion. And Jews were not the only culture persecuted by Hitler in a systematic manner. Have you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Its really good. I do not believe they were persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED, they were horribly persecuted because of who they were.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Many people of the Jewish persuasion would tell you its a culture, more than a religion. And Jews were not the only culture persecuted by Hitler in a systematic manner. Have you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Its really good.

I understand that they weren't the ONLY group persecuted. You can call it a "culture" if you like but it is a culture based around their religiion. Cant we use that "culture" thing with catholics or mormons or any other religious group?

What differentiated them from the others, why they were selected, is because of religious affiliation. So to say "religion" had nothing to do with it is just dumb.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Sorry to disagree, but you can separate it..and the Jews do....many factions,groups, both culturally and faith-wise.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Sorry to disagree, but you can separate it..and the Jews do....many factions,groups, both culturally and faith-wise.

Okay so you can be jewish...without being jewish?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

What does this mean? It's a good thing that he makes ridiculous claims without providing any serious backup? "At least he puts something up"? Anybody can do what he does, but most have brains and aren't that irresponsible with their words.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What does this mean? It's a good thing that he makes ridiculous claims without providing any serious backup? "At least he puts something up"? Anybody can do what he does, but most have brains and aren't that irresponsible with their words.

It means I need to start reading his posts closer
(which I dont really) having never seen the holocaust post,
because there are people on this board who have a very
simplistic view of Jews and the Holocaust.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It means I need to start reading his posts closer
(which I dont really) having never seen the holocaust post,
because there are people on this board who have a very
simplistic view of Jews and the Holocaust.

The guy with stupid in his name is just on auto-pilot in life,so what he thinks of me is irrelevant...seriously

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

PG1985/jcs1105/hrfan puts something up too. So what?

I just think if you are going to preach to people and act like you have it all figured out. Then maybe you should present your case a lot better. He doesn't, so he gets flack. And he gives it right back.

There can be no denying he has made some really dumb comments the last few weeks. I understand you not wanting to agree, but if you are going to insist on butting in, can you at least be honest and not skate around stuff. Say what's on your mind. Don't pussyfoot around and try and be clever. It doesn't work.

There is no attempt to be clever whatsoever.
So you disagree with my holocaust assessment.
Tell me why?

Maybe its cause my Dad was a lawyer. I see holes
in both sides. Ask me a question... I have never shirked
at giving at an opinion. And I really dont feel totally at ease
really thinking people are jerks unless I have met them.
I have met no one on this internet board.
You actually may not be a jerk at all.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you. It's a gigantic waste of both of our times. Yes I disagree with your Holocaust assessment. Hitler persecuted the Jews because they were Jewish. That's it in a nutshell. Now, I could type 3 more sentences and try and be cute, clever and try and come off as smart, but there is no need.

I aksed you a question. It was a pretty simple quesion. You danced around and tried to be clever. It's fine.

No you really dont get it then.
What does being Jewish mean?
You tell me, were the Jews persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED
or who they were? This is a very important distinction. You might
find it trivial, but it is not.

Who were the Jews in the early 30's in Germany?
What made them a target then?
Your turn, since apparently you are a holocaust expert.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm a Holocaust expert? Interesting twist there. I love how a simple question turns into this stuff.

The Jews were persecuted for being Jewish. Hitler, IMO didn't care what they believed, he just saw them as different and a threat to his master race, because they were Jewish, so he did what he did. So, to make a statement that their religion, which is what made them different, had nothing to do with their killing is a foolish one. He wanted to do away with anyone he viewed as different, whether it be color, religion, etc.

Now, like I said, I'm not going to go back and forth. You are back to your old tricks of complaining about stuff, but then sticking yourself right in the middle of it. You were asked a simple question, that didn't require any attempt to be clever, but you couldn't give a straight answer. You're caught up in trying to come off as a clever Robin Hood. I won't waste anymore time than I already have.

Whatever.
Diff. and a threat to the master race?
How could they possibly be considered a threat?
Imo there are much more revealing answers.

Sure you dont want to discuss this, because you dont know
anything about it except the cursory lines.
Forget it.
Same old same old.
You know it all.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Whatever.
Diff. and a threat to the master race?
How could they possibly be considered a threat?
Imo there are much more revealing answers.

Sure you dont want to discuss this, because you dont know
anything about it except the cursory lines.
Forget it.
Same old same old.
You know it all.

Whatever. No one claimed to be experts in the Jewish persecution...except for you.

In this case, one doesnt need to be an expert on the subject to know the answer. Its rather easy...no matter how much you want to distort it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Whatever. No one claimed to be experts in the Jewish persecution...except for you.

In this case, one doesnt need to be an expert on the subject to know the answer. Its rather easy...no matter how much you want to distort it.

Rather easy? ARE you fckn kidding me?

You dont even have an opinion.

In your haste to castrate another poster
you stepped overboard. I dont claim to be an expert.
But I have a clear opinion on why the Jews were persecuted.
It is a question that Jews themselves have argued endlessly
over. So give your opinion.

And it is not distorting it. It is a very important question for
the Jewish people themselves my friend. If you call looking deeply
into reasons distortion, then so be it.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There is no point to
discussing this. it's not
something I am interested
in and I have no desire to discuss
the holocaust.

I never claimed to know
it all. But I do know that
Dimmy's statement, much like
his statement about the NY Post
and his thread where he presented
a press release as fact are dumb. But,
like you said, at least he puts something
up. No matter how dumb it may be.

You claimed to know a lot more about this
subject than you did.
Of course you are not interested in it.
You got in too deep again.

And its fine if you want to link two unrelated
discussions in your obsession with picking apart
another poster.

Politically, I happen to be much closer to yourself
and Dalkhani. But you guys have already done
a dance on him. Why should I?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You claimed to know a lot more about this
subject than you did.
Of course you are not interested in it.
You got in too deep again.

And its fine if you want to link two unrelated
discussions in your obsession with picking apart
another poster.

Politically, I happen to be much closer to yourself
and Dalkhani. But you guys have already done
a dance on him. Why should I?

I am not asking you to do a dance on Timmig. No one did. You injected yourself into this as is your right. I didnt see Dahoss mention ever once that he was an expert nor did I. Your claim is false.

I have fun with Timmig. I actually find his lack of a clue rather charming. It doesnt change the fact that what you and he are claiming is wrong.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please show me where I
claimed to know a lot about the
Holocaust? I never have. I just
know a dumb comment when I see
one. Get a grip man. The Robin
Hood stuff is so old.

THAT's One of your problems,Hoss, you think Robin Hood is "old". Explains alot