Mambo confirmed for Gold Cup

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hrfan

your wrong, and you sound delusional yourself... Curlins last 3 have been nothing more then average... If Mambo improves 5-10 points off of his last he is right there, take into mind the fact that Curlin could be regressing at this point in his career... i have to be clear where i stand, i will use mambo in all bets, wont be suprised if he wins, and also wont be suprised if curlin blows him away.... Is that fair ?

Improves 5-10 points? You don't think that is asking a little more than reasonable?

And no, that isn't clear, that is ballless and clear that you have no clue where you stand.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Improves 5-10 points? You don't think that is asking a little more than reasonable?

And no, that isn't clear, that is ballless and clear that you have no clue where you stand.

balless ? what about you praising a horse that will be 1-5, that is clearly not running his A races as of late

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hrfan

balless ? what about you praising a horse that will be 1-5, that is clearly not running his A races as of late

You said you are taking the second favorite but not against the favorite. Maybe idiocy is the term I was looking for. If you don't have a solid opinion then it isn't a race you bet. I'll wait to see entries and hope I can beat Mambo in Seattle and play some longer shots under Curlin to make the race playable. If that doesn't happen I won't play the race.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You said you are taking the second favorite but not against the favorite. Maybe idiocy is the term I was looking for. If you don't have a solid opinion then it isn't a race you bet. I'll wait to see entries and hope I can beat Mambo in Seattle and play some longer shots under Curlin to make the race playable. If that doesn't happen I won't play the race.

i doubt you will be playing the race then

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hrfan

i doubt you will be playing the race then

An overrated 3yo coming to take on elders? I have a feeling I will be if Mambo goes off as the second choice and anything more than Barcola shows up.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

An overrated 3yo coming to take on elders? I have a feeling I will be if Mambo goes off as the second choice and anything more than Barcola shows up.

Just curious, what makes him overrated?

I don't think he'll beat Curlin, but I hardly think it's clinically insane to say that he has a chance.

Much like Big Brown looked good beating up on nothing, so has Curlin this year. I love Curlin, but let's take a breath before we talk about him like he's some unbeatable monster. In just about every year in the past decade, he would merely be a very good handicap horse who would take some losses, not the hands down 'best horse in the world' as he's been repeatedly called.

[Quiet Chris]

The real question is if Mambo wins the JCGC and BCC will he be HOY? I wouldn't be shocked at all if he pulled it off. He might be another Curlin.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Just curious, what makes him overrated?

I don't think he'll beat Curlin, but I hardly think it's clinically insane to say that he has a chance.

Much like Big Brown looked good beating up on nothing, so has Curlin this year. I love Curlin, but let's take a breath before we talk about him like he's some unbeatable monster. In just about every year in the past decade, he would merely be a very good handicap horse who would take some losses, not the hands down 'best horse in the world' as he's been repeatedly called.

If he goes off as the second favorite in the JCGC and any other decent older horse shows up then he's overrated. If he goes off at 8-1 then perhaps he isn't. Last two races he barely won a non-winners of a graded stakes in '08 race and then lost to Colonel John in the Travers. Both were nice races for a 3yo this year but he'd have been long forgotten had 3yos Street Sense, Curlin, Hard Spun, and Any Given Saturday been in those races. Cause he ran against nothing he looks better than he is. And while he shows the most promise of any 3yo router aside from Big Brown I think that is like being second best dramatic performance in a porno film.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Improves 5-10 points? You don't think that is asking a little more than reasonable?

And no, that isn't clear, that is ballless and clear that you have no clue where you stand.

Thanks. I'm glad someone finally brought the conversation back to reality as 5-10 point move-ups off of races like the one MIS ran in the Travers are frequent, right?

Mambo in Seattle is a nice horse and Neil Howard is clearly very high on him. But capable of beating Curlin? Only with an unbelievably perfect trip and some hardships for the big guy. I'd also need much more than the 5-1 he'll be if that's the best-case scenario.

NT

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Thanks. I'm glad someone finally brought the conversation back to reality as 5-10 point move-ups off of races like the one MIS ran in the Travers are frequent, right?

Mambo in Seattle is a nice horse and Neil Howard is clearly very high on him. But capable of beating Curlin? Only with an unbelievably perfect trip and some hardships for the big guy. I'd also need much more than the 5-1 he'll be if that's the best-case scenario.

NT

5-1 ? if he's 5-1 i will be betting a ton on him... he will be more like 5-2 or 3-1 clear cut second choice, obvious wise guy horse