117.2 vs 116.0

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

15-0 with 15 blowout wins the first of his two years for the Herd.

15-1 and a NFL record for points scored his 1st year with the Vikes

16-0 and a NFL record for points scored his 1st year with the Pats.

And you want to make it about the Raiders? He shined individually in each of his first 4 games with the Raiders and quit on them because their O-line couldn't hold blocks for more than 0.2 seconds. That and he wasn't healthy

Might as well as get your team a high draft pick if they thoroughly suck that bad.

I don't understand what you are getting at.



Lots of records and no titles.

My point on the Raiders was it made no sense signing him...they needed more important things than a receiver. Your comment on their off. line kind of hints at that.

Back to the Randy Pats....16-0....and the champions of the league who beat them were 10-6 with no offensive records set.




And NO Moss.

I guess their stones rolled.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Lots of records and no titles.

Every time I read that, I see 'Lots of records and no titties'. Anyway..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I don't understand what you are getting at.



Lots of records and no titles.

Don't play stupid with me Mortimer.

The 1998 Vikings and the 2007 Patriots were clearly the two best offensive NFL teams I've ever seen in my lifetime.

In case anyone forgets - The 15-1 '98 Vikings were 13 point favorites in the NFC Championship game over the 14-2 Falcons.

In the greatest choke in the history of man kind - their field goal kicker, who had made 122 straight kicks, had a chance to ice the game and put them up by 10 with 2 minutes to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8zx39b2Ny0


Painful as it is to watch - football is a team game. The Vikings defense gave up 500 yards on defense and their field goal kicker who had made 122 straight kicks missed a chip shot.

Randy Moss was not asked to play defense - and Randy Moss was not asked to kick field goals. That Viking team was something like a 3-to-10 favorite to win the Super Bowl at the start of the playoffs.

The 2nd biggest choke was what happened to the Patriots in last years Super Bowl. They had won previous Super Bowls because of a mix of Payton Manning chokes and cheating.

In order for Moss to have not won a Super Bowl so far - he needed two acts of God - a swiss cheese defense that couldn't stop anyone every year he was in Minny - and an offensive line in Oakland that I dare say was the worst collective group in the history of orginazed pro sports.

The defense in New England is there this year. The kicking game is there. Forget about Tom Brady - you can plug in a 7/11 worker to play qb - this is the year!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

In a 52 man sport with offensive, defensive, and special team units - it would be idiotic to judge a player by rings won.

Moss is the greatest natural athlete I've ever seen. He's a natural athlete with a real human build in an era where guys like T.O. look like Robo Cop with these builds that defy nature.

Plus, he's twice been to jail before he ever played a snap of college football and he's from W Va - which is a combination that almost qualifys him for sainthood in my eyes.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not judging him by rings won. I was making a point. For all of the accolades Dan Marino gets, what's the one thing people always bring up. He never won a ring. Trent Dilfer has a super bowl ring. Think about that. He's not qualified to carry Marino's boxers after Marino sharts in them.

But, I can guarantee Marino would give up all of his accolades, trophies, etc for that ring that Dilfer has. Maybe Moss is different. Maybe he's okay with being a really good reciever, with a bad reputation that was apart of 2 badly choking football teams. Team sports and sports in general are about winning. And by winning I mean winning a championship.

I do agree about the other stuff though. Anyone from West Virginia that can spell their name is okay in my book.

Glad to know my Mom is okay in your book

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring



Culpepper phone!

[Mortimer]

The Browns announce Phil Dawson as their new starting qb so as to improve the fake touchdown ploy.

[Bigsmc]

I'm sure Moss, being the consumate team player, is loving catching 4 balls for 25 yards while his team gets their collective asses handed to them at home by a team that won one game last year.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hand salute.

Now this is what ya call yer quality stuff right here.





Hand salute to you,sir.

DOUBLEPLUS snappy release.