do we want to know the truth?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I have to laugh..when all these Senators like Biden and Obama are condemning Palin a Governor for ASKING for earmarks - when they are actually the ones that vote for the projects and the $$$$$$. If they find it so abhorring - why don't they just declare that they will not vote for earmarks - period.

I am going on record that I am ASKING for $25 K to re-do my back porch - if the Senators vote me the $$$ - I'll take it and run...

Geeker-

Obama and Biden arent campaigning as "the maverick" or the "government reformer" that is going to rid our country of earmarks. Palin/Mccain are.

McCain went on national TV and LIED about Palin not requesting earmarks.

If she is so AGAINST earmarks, why ask for nearly a half a billion dollars in less than 2 years?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Geeker-

Obama and Biden arent campaigning as "the maverick" or the "government reformer" that is going to rid our country of earmarks. Palin/Mccain are.

McCain went on national TV and LIED about Palin not requesting earmarks.

If she is so AGAINST earmarks, why ask for nearly a half a billion dollars in less than 2 years?

Because the system allows it and almost demands it....

I can understand a postion that says we must reform the system - but while the system is still handing out $$$$ I am going to get my share.


Hey I don't think it is right that they are handing out $$$$ for my new deck - but if they are going to hand it out anyway - sh^t I am going to take it...but I may say it aint right!


..and are you saying that O/B are for earmarks and not reforming the system? where exactly do they stand?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Because the system allows it and almost demands it....

I can understand a postion that says we must reform the system - but while the system is still handing out $$$$ I am going to get my share.


Hey I don't think it is right that they are handing out $$$$ for my new deck - but if they are going to hand it out anyway - sh^t I am going to take it...but I may say it aint right!


..and are you saying that O/B are for earmarks and not reforming the system? where exactly do they stand?

If I am going to lambast my opponent and his earmark requests, I am going to make damn sure that I am clean on this front. Per capita, Alaska is worse. She is actually the earmark queen. That is why she is in bed (not literally...i dont think) with that corrupt congressman up there.

To answer your question, Obama's state has no earmarks for 2009 and is in favor of earmark reform.

Further, Geeker, why would McCain LIE about it on national TV. Do you want to see the clip where McCain says that Palin did not receive earmarks?

[Payson Dave]

Ya'll are taking this polictical rhetoric way to seriously....at the national level they all have many skeletons in the closet...it's mostly a matter of deciding who might be least offensive.

[TheSpyder]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Ya'll are taking this polictical rhetoric way to seriously....at the national level they all have many skeletons in the closet...it's mostly a matter of deciding who might be least offensive.

I could not agree more. It's an election people! Candidates say all kinds of things stretching the truth more than silly putty. Yes, there's some accurate things said, but trying to weigh through all the crap is fruitless.
You may like one candidate more than another but trying to come to some conclusion (I'm right , your wrong) is absolutely fruitless.

Nothing gets done anyway, I mean the things that can reshape our country that is miserable shape until there is a crisis. As soon as this was is over will see one as the money that pumps the war is falsely boistering our economy. Then will see a crisis and things will change.

Have a nice day,

Spyder

[dalakhani]

I hear ya payson dave and spyder.

I cant speak for anyone else but i am just having fun. I like the fact that people are passionate both ways. I realize that these opinions really don't matter outside of our own little world here.

Cheers to Geeker, arljim78 and the rest....ah, scratch that. Cheers to Geeker and the rest. No harm intended and nothing personal is meant.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I hear ya payson dave and spyder.

I cant speak for anyone else but i am just having fun. I like the fact that people are passionate both ways. I realize that these opinions really don't matter outside of our own little world here.

Cheers to Geeker, arljim78 and the rest....ah, scratch that. Cheers to Geeker and the rest. No harm intended and nothing personal is meant.

except you know you love me and coach deep down ya do!

Especially me!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I hear ya payson dave and spyder.

I cant speak for anyone else but i am just having fun. I like the fact that people are passionate both ways. I realize that these opinions really don't matter outside of our own little world here.

Cheers to Geeker, arljim78 and the rest....ah, scratch that. Cheers to Geeker and the rest. No harm intended and nothing personal is meant.

ditto...I never met a hermaphrodite I didn't like...but then again I never met one...err at least not that I know of

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

I could not agree more. It's an election people! Candidates say all kinds of things stretching the truth more than silly putty. Yes, there's some accurate things said, but trying to weigh through all the crap is fruitless.
You may like one candidate more than another but trying to come to some conclusion (I'm right , your wrong) is absolutely fruitless.

Nothing gets done anyway, I mean the things that can reshape our country that is miserable shape until there is a crisis. As soon as this was is over will see one as the money that pumps the war is falsely boistering our economy. Then will see a crisis and things will change.

Have a nice day,

Spyder

I particularly enjoy the one-upsmanship. you liar you, why, i'll lie too! no point in either sides' supporters getting their panties in a wad, as their own candidate engages in the same behavior. two wrong don't make a right, but it may make things more interesting.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Ya'll are taking this polictical rhetoric way to seriously....at the national level they all have many skeletons in the closet...it's mostly a matter of deciding who might be least offensive.

AGREE!!! You may as well read the National Enquirer these days as the newspapers.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If I am going to lambast my opponent and his earmark requests, I am going to make damn sure that I am clean on this front. Hey..like my friend GBBOB pointed out it's politics Per capita, Alaska is worse. isn't this a distorted fact only because the population of Alaska is 47 out of 57.. hehehe an Obama mis-speak She is actually the earmark queen. That is why she is in bed (not literally...i dont think) with that corrupt congressman up there. no proof but politically it sounds good

To answer your question, Obama's state has no earmarks for 2009 and is in favor of earmark reform. last year 112 earmarks totaling more than $330 million in taxpayer funds-but now he is against it - not sure this is much different that Palin's position



Further, Geeker, why would McCain LIE about it on national TV. Do you want to see the clip where McCain says that Palin did not receive earmarks? I saw the remark..LIE is a bit strong..I do believe he mis-spoke in saying "not as a Governor" and he should be challenged on it for sure

...but if that $25 K shows I am spending it ($5K on new deck - $20K in Vegas)

[ArlJim78]

earmark requests do not come from govenors, they are funding requests that get slipped into congressional bills by senators or congressmen, therefore the specific funding requested in the earmark can be as porky as they want, but they don't get voted on separately as its part of the whole bill package.

Palin requested federal money for projects for Alaska, not through the earmark process, just like all of her predecessors except she significantly reduced the requests compared to previous years. These funding requests have to be justified, and congress can vote them down.

so, Mccain was correct, Palin did not request earmarks.
she did however ask for federal money for Alaska.

[geeker2]

Jim..thanks..it does explain things a bit more..at least for me.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

earmark requests do not come from govenors, they are funding requests that get slipped into congressional bills by senators or congressmen, therefore the specific funding requested in the earmark can be as porky as they want, but they don't get voted on separately as its part of the whole bill package.

Palin requested federal money for projects for Alaska, not through the earmark process, just like all of her predecessors except she significantly reduced the requests compared to previous years. These funding requests have to be justified, and congress can vote them down.

so, Mccain was correct, Palin did not request earmarks.
she did however ask for federal money for Alaska.

McCain claimed that she did NOT RECEIVE earmarks. You are trying to change what he said and you are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMN_PP2qhNQ

[dalakhani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKmyJcGV2I&NR=1

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKmyJcGV2I&NR=1

Wasn't he saying they both are equal in their deception? btw..he also thought Obama meant the pig comment

ROVE: Yeah. Well, first of all, I do think that the lipstick remark was an inappropriate — and maybe it was unconscious, but it was a deliberate slap at Governor Palin.

The only time this word has intruded in recent months in the campaign was in her, you know, self-deprecating remark at the convention. So for him to use the lipstick remark less than two weeks after she used it struck me as too much of a coincidence not to have been a deliberate attack.

But look. Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far. We saw this this week, for example, in the Obama ad where he makes the point, a legitimate point, that John McCain came to the United States Congress in 1982 and that he has been a longtime Washington insider.

But they then say he doesn't even know how to use a — you know, doesn't send e-mail. Well, this is because his war injuries keep him from being able to use a keyboard. He can't type. You know, it's like saying he can't do jumping jacks.

Well, there's a reason why he can't raise his arms above his head. There's a reason why he doesn't have the nimbleness in his fingers.

WALLACE: All right, and for fair game, what is McCain doing that goes a step too far?

ROVE: Well, McCain has gone in some of his ads — similarly gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test.

They don't need to attack each other in this way. They have legitimate points to make about each other that are beyond, you know, the...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

she did not request or receive earmarks period.

Okay, either you can't read or you are lying which would be rather typical. Here is another link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,1324706.story