mccain's vp

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah people who spend beyond their means using credit are victims...

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

Just curious...but don't you believe there is such a thing as sacraficing in times like that?

Originally Posted by GPK

Just curious...but don't you believe there is such a thing as sacraficing in times like that?

Can't live without that Suburban/Escalade/Small Penis.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Can't live without that Suburban/Escalade/Small Penis.

Well...I drive an Accord. So I guess I am just stuck with 1 outta 3

Originally Posted by GPK

Well...I drive an Accord. So I guess I am just stuck with 1 outta 3

I also drive the Japanese car. A 1996.
I would be two out of three. Small car, pud.

We should have bought American?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by GPK

Well...I drive an Accord. So I guess I am just stuck with 1 outta 3

It's gotta low profile,though.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

It's gotta low profile,though.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GPK

Just curious...but don't you believe there is such a thing as sacraficing in times like that?

Over 30 years? Our credit situation didnt happen overnight GPK and the disparity in classes didnt happen overnight either. It comes from being stuck in Reaganomics for 20 of 28 years.

Look at the times when our economy was best? Strong middle class! keynesian theory is what we were built on.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Over 30 years? Our credit situation didnt happen overnight GPK and the disparity in classes didnt happen overnight either. It comes from being stuck in Reaganomics for 20 of 28 years.

Look at the times when our economy was best? Strong middle class! keynesian theory is what we were built on.

So is it too much to ask for people to live within their means...be it for 2 years or 100 years. At some point in time, people have to take personal responsibility for choosing to live like that. Is that asking too much?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GPK

So is it too much to ask for people to live within their means...be it for 2 years or 100 years. At some point in time, people have to take personal responsibility for choosing to live like that. Is that asking too much?

No its not. But GPK, do you have kids? Try living on the median household income with a family of four in most metro cities I see these people every day. Many of them are just struggling to get by.

If you don't have kids, do the math. It will really sober you.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No its not. But GPK, do you have kids? Try living on the median household income with a family of four in most metro cities I see these people every day. Many of them are just struggling to get by.

If you don't have kids, do the math. It will really sober you.

None that I know about.

I am in contact on a daily basis with people like this and many that are worse off than that.

How many of these people you see every day are working a 2nd job?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GPK

None that I know about.

I am in contact on a daily basis with people like this and many that are worse off than that.

How many of these people you see every day are working a 2nd job?

And i didnt mean to call you out by asking about kids and im sorry if it came out that way becausee it wasnt my intention.

There are plenty of middle class i see working two full time jobs right now to make ends meet and they still can't do it.

There was a couple that just came to our bank the other day. Perfect example. Both teachers making combined 110k a year. Two young children. Only debt is their cars. They wanted to buy a house in the outer reaches. a modest four bedroom with about 2500 square feet. Totally middle class neighborhood and the house was about 500k. So lets do the math.

Gross income 9k per month

Car payments= 600 per month.

student loans= 300 per month.

mortgage payment=3500 per month

Credit card debt= zero



lets do the math here GPK. 9k gross means they are taking home about 6000 per month. Debts equal 4500 per month. Now add utitlies, phone, insurance, food, gas, etc.

This is the middle class in our area. What is wrong with this picture?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

Clinton and the Bushies luv NAFTA.


b-b-b-but Clinton!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Clinton and the Bushies luv NAFTA.


b-b-b-but Clinton!!

But Clinton made an obvious mistake with NAFTA and it was further supported by the sitting president.

Yes, I would consider NAFTA a massive bungle and yes Clinton can own much of it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But Clinton made an obvious mistake with NAFTA and it was further supported by the sitting president.

Yes, I would consider NAFTA a massive bungle and yes Clinton can own much of it.

Has it ever occured to you that both of them have profited tremendously due to these trade agreements? And if so, why are you so passionate about your party?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Has it ever occured to you that both of them have profited tremendously due to these trade agreements? And if so, why are you so passionate about your party?

This is the Coach Pants i like.

Listen im not blind to the fact that corruption is bipartisan. I dont think Obama can live up to a lot he has promised. None of them ever do.

I just think that obama would do a better job of representing us in the next four years based on his policies and based on the way he presents himself.

Personally, McCain's plan will do better for ME. Bush has done GREAT for me. At the same time, I worry about this country longterm.