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[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Raises and better pay? Again, inflation adjusted, the only wages that have gone up in relationship to production over the last 30 years are CEO wages. Average wages adjusted for inflation have remained flat.

As far as far as tax policy, it is proven that Obama's plan IS NOT the same as McCain's. I will post the differences in a second.

I never ever said they were the same plan... and I posted both of the two plans with the link. I said IMO the biggest difference was the Corporate taxes.

If I got a 6% raise this year.. and next year my corporate company will have less $$ because they are paying more taxes.. Will I only get a 3% raise next year?

If that is the case I'd much rather have the higher raise than the $502 I'll save with Obamas tax plan.

I really have no clue how it will effect that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I never ever said they were the same plan... and I posted both of the two plans with the link. I said IMO the biggest difference was the Corporate taxes.

If I got a 6% raise this year.. and next year my corporate company will have less $$ because they are paying more taxes.. Will I only get a 3% raise next year?

If that is the case I'd much rather have the higher raise than the $502 I'll save with Obamas tax plan.

I really have no clue how it will effect that.

If Companies suddenly decided to pass along all of those corporate tax breaks to the middle class (as supply side/trickle down econ suggests) statistics say that would be a big departure from what has happened since 1980. Do you really think that is going to happen? You seem like an intelligent person. Why would you believe this?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If Companies suddenly decided to pass along all of those corporate tax breaks to the middle class (as supply side/trickle down econ suggests) statistics say that would be a big departure from what has happened since 1980. Do you really think that is going to happen? You seem like an intelligent person. Why would you believe this?

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

[ArlJim78]

nothing wrong with Reaganomics or greed, the only problem was that spending was supposed to be controlled, and that never happened.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

nothing wrong with Reaganomics or greed, the only problem was that spending was supposed to be controlled, and that never happened.

you mean like when you get a raise, which means more money-so you go buy something else that you can suddenly afford? never get ahead that way.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...inc/f07ar.html




Do you realize that from 1980 to 2006 median Wages, adjusted for inflation, had only risen 10k? Do you realize in the 26 years prior, wages had almost DOUBLED?

If the middle class is living far greater, it is purely on credit. HMMMMM...I wonder if we have a credit problem going on right now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...inc/f07ar.html




Do you realize that from 1980 to 2006 median Wages, adjusted for inflation, had only risen 10k? Do you realize in the 26 years prior, wages had almost DOUBLED?

If the middle class is living far greater, it is purely on credit. HMMMMM...I wonder if we have a credit problem going on right now?

Yeah people who spend beyond their means using credit are victims...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

very true. capital gains taxes, which obama wants to raise ( the EVIL rich are such easy targets) and any other tax that impedes investment here, and business growth here, is not good in the long run for anyone here. but at least obama and his ilk would feel better about how they robbed from the rich to give to the poor.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

very true. capital gains taxes, which obama wants to raise ( the EVIL rich are such easy targets) and any other tax that impedes investment here, and business growth here, is not good in the long run for anyone here. but at least obama and his ilk would feel better about how they robbed from the rich to give to the poor.

The notion that a five percent hike is going to impede investment is beyond laughable. For the record, Obama's plan on long term capital gains is for between 20-28%. The 20% is exactly where Reagan had them.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

For a m.c. family to live at the same level, the wife has to work. Every day they stop in front of my house, and take the kids into the house of some lady across the street(I doubt that loudmouth is even licensed.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

This is why these programs had to be started in the 1st place(human nature tends toward greed, and without this evil gov't intrusion, you would just have the rich and the poor.) That is exactly what you would see(very rich n' very poor.)

[Mortimer]

A government employee observing you in each and every home....or no government at all.


Vote for one...I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.




And don't tell me not to read it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.

That's a lie.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

A government employee observing you in each and every home....or no government at all.


Vote for one...I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.




And don't tell me not to read it.

What does this government employee look like? I'd need a good description of him before I make a decision.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is why these programs had to be started in the 1st place(human nature tends toward greed, and without this evil gov't intrusion, you would just have the rich and the poor.) That is exactly what you would see(very rich n' very poor.)

exactly what programs are these that you're speaking of? i want to know who to thank for me being neither rich nor poor. hell, i thought it was my, and my husbands, blood sweat and tears that kept me afloat.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly what programs are these that you're speaking of? i want to know who to thank for me being neither rich nor poor. hell, i thought it was my, and my husbands, blood sweat and tears that kept me afloat.

Start with Social Security. I'm guessing here, but without that, your mother in law (you so enjoy) may of had to live with you.

[Danzig]

this is from yesterday, i googled 'barack obama bush tax'. this came up first on the list...an excerpt:

Obama has change of heart about Bush tax cuts as polls favor McCain

By Ross Balano, Midwest Voices Columnist 2008

Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama had a change of heart yesterday about one of his major campaign issues; the Bush Tax Cuts.

The Associated Press quotes Obama as now saying that “he would delay rescinding President Bush's tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.”

Two things struck me about this comment.

First; he uses the term increase. This is the first time I’ve heard him admit that rescinding the Bush cuts would in reality be a tax increase.

Second; he admits that an increase would hurt the economy.

For about as long as he has been running for president, which seems like forever, Obama has been preaching the woes of the Bush Tax Cuts. For those of you in Alma, those are the tax cuts pushed through congress by President Bush that Obama and fellow Democrats claim were “tax breaks for the rich” and are “shrinking the middle class.” Repealing that work of the evil Bush administration was “job one.” So why the change of heart?