mccain's vp

[dalakhani]

[quote=Antitrust32]I was just looking at factcheck... Now Obama DID vote for a measure to take taxes back to the pre-2001 level. (which would have moved the 25% bracket back to 28%).

Now he's proposing tax cuts for those levels, which is a flip flop... but I'd rather him flip flop this way...

Here are both candidates plan...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbe...cfm?DocID=1839

The BIGGEST differences in the two plans, IMO, is that McCain wants to lower corporate tax $ and Obama wants to raise corporate tax $$..

The question I have... is if we increase taxes on corporations will us as Employees have less opportunities to get raises and better pay because my company will have less $$?[/QUOTE]

Raises and better pay? Again, inflation adjusted, the only wages that have gone up in relationship to production over the last 30 years are CEO wages. Average wages adjusted for inflation have remained flat.

As far as far as tax policy, it is proven that Obama's plan IS NOT the same as McCain's. I will post the differences in a second.

[Mortimer]

You couldn't post the same in a second.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

You couldn't post the same in a second.

I wish someone would post the recipe for success...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I wish someone would post the recipe for success...

How?

Commercials have taught us to spell Relief.....R-O-L-A-I-D-S.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Raises and better pay? Again, inflation adjusted, the only wages that have gone up in relationship to production over the last 30 years are CEO wages. Average wages adjusted for inflation have remained flat.

As far as far as tax policy, it is proven that Obama's plan IS NOT the same as McCain's. I will post the differences in a second.

I never ever said they were the same plan... and I posted both of the two plans with the link. I said IMO the biggest difference was the Corporate taxes.

If I got a 6% raise this year.. and next year my corporate company will have less $$ because they are paying more taxes.. Will I only get a 3% raise next year?

If that is the case I'd much rather have the higher raise than the $502 I'll save with Obamas tax plan.

I really have no clue how it will effect that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I never ever said they were the same plan... and I posted both of the two plans with the link. I said IMO the biggest difference was the Corporate taxes.

If I got a 6% raise this year.. and next year my corporate company will have less $$ because they are paying more taxes.. Will I only get a 3% raise next year?

If that is the case I'd much rather have the higher raise than the $502 I'll save with Obamas tax plan.

I really have no clue how it will effect that.

If Companies suddenly decided to pass along all of those corporate tax breaks to the middle class (as supply side/trickle down econ suggests) statistics say that would be a big departure from what has happened since 1980. Do you really think that is going to happen? You seem like an intelligent person. Why would you believe this?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If Companies suddenly decided to pass along all of those corporate tax breaks to the middle class (as supply side/trickle down econ suggests) statistics say that would be a big departure from what has happened since 1980. Do you really think that is going to happen? You seem like an intelligent person. Why would you believe this?

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

[ArlJim78]

nothing wrong with Reaganomics or greed, the only problem was that spending was supposed to be controlled, and that never happened.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...inc/f07ar.html




Do you realize that from 1980 to 2006 median Wages, adjusted for inflation, had only risen 10k? Do you realize in the 26 years prior, wages had almost DOUBLED?

If the middle class is living far greater, it is purely on credit. HMMMMM...I wonder if we have a credit problem going on right now?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

very true. capital gains taxes, which obama wants to raise ( the EVIL rich are such easy targets) and any other tax that impedes investment here, and business growth here, is not good in the long run for anyone here. but at least obama and his ilk would feel better about how they robbed from the rich to give to the poor.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

For a m.c. family to live at the same level, the wife has to work. Every day they stop in front of my house, and take the kids into the house of some lady across the street(I doubt that loudmouth is even licensed.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

This is why these programs had to be started in the 1st place(human nature tends toward greed, and without this evil gov't intrusion, you would just have the rich and the poor.) That is exactly what you would see(very rich n' very poor.)

[Mortimer]

A government employee observing you in each and every home....or no government at all.


Vote for one...I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.




And don't tell me not to read it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is why these programs had to be started in the 1st place(human nature tends toward greed, and without this evil gov't intrusion, you would just have the rich and the poor.) That is exactly what you would see(very rich n' very poor.)

exactly what programs are these that you're speaking of? i want to know who to thank for me being neither rich nor poor. hell, i thought it was my, and my husbands, blood sweat and tears that kept me afloat.