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Old 09-08-2008, 11:25 PM
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Three times in recent years, the Arizona senator's lists of 'objectionable' pork spending have included earmarks requested by his new running mate.
By Tom Hamburger, Richard Simon and Janet Hook | Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 3, 2008
WASILLA, ALASKA - For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.

Now, McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him.

McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.



records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.

This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.

In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)

The community transit center is a landmark: a one-story, tile-fronted building with a drive-through garage. Its fleet of 10 buses provides service throughout the region. Mat-Su Community Transit Agency officials say the building was made possible with a combination of federal money and matching gifts from a private foundation.

Taylor Griffin, a McCain campaign spokesman, said that when Palin became mayor in 1996, "she faced a system that was broken. Small towns like Wasilla in Alaska depended on earmarks to take care of basic needs. . . . That was something that Gov. Palin was alarmed about and was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed."

Palin, he said, was "disgusted" that small towns like hers were dependent on earmarks.

Public records paint a different picture:

Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.

Steven Silver was a former chief of staff for Stevens. After he was hired, Wasilla obtained funding for several projects in 2002, including an additional $600,000 in transportation funding.

That year, a local water and sewer project received $1.5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which combs federal spending measures to identify projects inserted by congressional members.

When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere."

In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."

However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs.

This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.

"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:27 AM
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Three times in recent years, the Arizona senator's lists of 'objectionable' pork spending have included earmarks requested by his new running mate.


"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."

This criticism I don't quite understand - but I do understand the political value of the criticism.


Isn't it her responsibility to try and get these earmarks if they are available. I mean if these earmarks were available to the City of San Diego and the Mayor didn't do his utmost to try and get the funds for the City I would be pissed...and if these earmarks are available to the State of California and Arnold did not try and put the state in line to get this pork - I'd say he isn't doing his job .

Now if it is the responsibility of the Congress to control all this pork barrel and they don't ...shouldn't the blame actually go on Congress for approving this crap?

...and I don't know where Obama stands on the issue - but the idea that come Jan 2009 the public would know what the pork is and who is voting to approve it - appeals to me as a tax payer.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:45 PM
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This criticism I don't quite understand - but I do understand the political value of the criticism.


Isn't it her responsibility to try and get these earmarks if they are available. I mean if these earmarks were available to the City of San Diego and the Mayor didn't do his utmost to try and get the funds for the City I would be pissed...and if these earmarks are available to the State of California and Arnold did not try and put the state in line to get this pork - I'd say he isn't doing his job .

Now if it is the responsibility of the Congress to control all this pork barrel and they don't ...shouldn't the blame actually go on Congress for approving this crap?

...and I don't know where Obama stands on the issue - but the idea that come Jan 2009 the public would know what the pork is and who is voting to approve it - appeals to me as a tax payer.
Actually, Geeker, the reason i posted this was NOT to show that she is some reckless spender. Rather, it is to point out how she deceives and lies. She is trying to come across as some type of reformer of earmarks when in less than two years she has earmarked 400 million dollars for a state with a population a tenth the size as Illinois.

See my point? In just two weeks, this woman has told more lies than both candidates combined.
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Actually, Geeker, the reason i posted this was NOT to show that she is some reckless spender. Rather, it is to point out how she deceives and lies. She is trying to come across as some type of reformer of earmarks when in less than two years she has earmarked 400 million dollars for a state with a population a tenth the size as Illinois.

See my point? In just two weeks, this woman has told more lies than both candidates combined.

A politcian that DECEIVES AND LIES!?!?! I don't believe it
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A politcian that DECEIVES AND LIES!?!?! I don't believe it
But thats a cop out. Why do we have to settle for that? If you have examples during this campaign where Obama is lying, lay them out. I would love to see them. Perhaps Im on the wrong horse.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:20 PM
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But thats a cop out. Why do we have to settle for that? If you have examples during this campaign where Obama is lying, lay them out. I would love to see them. Perhaps Im on the wrong horse.

It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one. In my heart of hearts, I believe both parties (Rep and Dem in general, not the current candidates) bring positive things to the table. My biggest gripe and complaints are with politicians as a whole. It just seems increasingly with every passing election (not only nationwide, but on a state and local level as well) we as American citizens are forced over and over to vote for the "lesser of two evils" candidate. And frankly, that just sucks. I realize that not every feels the same way I do, but I assure you that I am not alone.
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It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one. In my heart of hearts, I believe both parties (Rep and Dem in general, not the current candidates) bring positive things to the table. My biggest gripe and complaints are with politicians as a whole. It just seems increasingly with every passing election (not only nationwide, but on a state and local level as well) we as American citizens are forced over and over to vote for the "lesser of two evils" candidate. And frankly, that just sucks. I realize that not every feels the same way I do, but I assure you that I am not alone.

Bullsh^t..you are alone and I am sure I can find a poll somewhere that proves it

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Geeker...get the fucl< out of here.

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It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one.
You hit your head or something?
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I would definitely agree with your last part. While I am pretty decided I'll be voting for Obama, a lot can change. There are plenty of things about him and things he has done that I am not too happy with. It's funny, earlier today i was thinking about what I dislike about each candidate. There weren't many dislikes for McCain, but a giant one is having Palin as his VP. There also weren't many likes for him either other than his service record. Since Cannon is too Republican for me, I'd like to swap him with Morty and I think we should push forward with a Morty/GBBob ticket.
Morty is unelectable due to numerous improper internet liasons. I would actually prefer the military junta form of govt if Bob and I ran. Crime would surely drop and Canada would be nervous.
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I would definitely agree with your last part. While I am pretty decided I'll be voting for Obama, a lot can change. There are plenty of things about him and things he has done that I am not too happy with. It's funny, earlier today i was thinking about what I dislike about each candidate. There weren't many dislikes for McCain, but a giant one is having Palin as his VP. There also weren't many likes for him either other than his service record. Since Cannon is too Republican for me, I'd like to swap him with Morty and I think we should push forward with a Morty/GBBob ticket.

i agree with that. mccain seems more center of the road, while obama is far left, too far to the left for me. but i'm seriously looking at him now, altho i suppose one could always vote for JM and hope like hell he lives four years-no guarantee of course, and i certainly am not wishing the guy ill....unlike certain folks regarding tom brady...at any rate, i don't like palin AT ALL. she's too far to the right.
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Actually, Geeker, the reason i posted this was NOT to show that she is some reckless spender. Rather, it is to point out how she deceives and lies. She is trying to come across as some type of reformer of earmarks when in less than two years she has earmarked 400 million dollars for a state with a population a tenth the size as Illinois.

See my point? In just two weeks, this woman has told more lies than both candidates combined.

I think my point is Congress did the earmarking - that she took the $$$$ is OK by me...but I think the Bridge has a few details that makes it a grey issue.

I am not sure its lies & deceit - it's just politics

STOP THE PORK AT THE SOURCE!
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Corporates..middles...raise ..lower....liberals...conservatives....HO's...the insane........




...I named it all...so shut up.














r u all fucl<in' HAPPY now!???
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r u all fucl<in' HAPPY now!???
Morty should I up your doses on your meds before you explode?.....
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Morty should I up your doses on your meds before you explode?.....


Don;t let anyone know you feed me Uncly Depressants.
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Corporates..middles...raise ..lower....liberals...conservatives....HO's...the insane........

...I named it all...so shut up.

r u all fucl<in' HAPPY now!???
Thank you Morte - I am leaving for the bush err garden.
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Anytime.


She doesn't mind...really.
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Morty is unelectable due to numerous improper internet liasons.

Then I'm perfectly qualified.
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