Keeneland Sale

[Linny]

Thanks Chuck. I know enough about conformation to know the good ones from the bad ones, but not most of the fine points in between. Some of them must have a leg on backward.

[magic_idol]

Whats your main point at auctions chuck? For me it's the front legs i can get away with most conformation faults ( lets face it i look at a horse nowadays with no conformation faults & i think slow horse ) but i like the front legs to be straight & a good eye

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

Whats your main point at auctions chuck? For me it's the front legs i can get away with most conformation faults ( lets face it i look at a horse nowadays with no conformation faults & i think slow horse ) but i like the front legs to be straight & a good eye

With different types of horses there are different things that I can and cant live with. For example with really heavy horse you need a bit more correct front legs and never back at the knee. With a lanky, lighter horse, often fillies, there is a lot more I can live with if they are athletic enough. certainly I dont mind longer pasterns in horses with turf pedigrees but dont want muc pastern in sprinters or strictly dirt horses. The way a horse moves behind is probably more important in ability. I have had some horses that were awful movers in the front legs but made up for it with superior power behind. All that and one i can afford

[AeWingnut]

How do horses like Skip Away go so cheap. I know he had issues

it just seems like you read about how this Kentucky Derby winner could have been yours for $20 to $100k

and horses that go for $16 mil can't win an allowance race

I often see a horse sells for millions and don't bet 'em in their maiden debut figure they are not in a hurry to win.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

How do horses like Skip Away go so cheap. I know he had issues

it just seems like you read about how this Kentucky Derby winner could have been yours for $20 to $100k

and horses that go for $16 mil can't win an allowance race

I often see a horse sells for millions and don't bet 'em in their maiden debut figure they are not in a hurry to win.

Skip Away was a 2 year old in training and he had a chip in his ankle. He wasnt the best made or bred horse either. I dont mind him as a sire but you have to wait till they are at least three and they prefer turf.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Skip Away was a 2 year old in training and he had a chip in his ankle. He wasnt the best made or bred horse either. I dont mind him as a sire but you have to wait till they are at least three and they prefer turf.

I believe he was was every inexpensive as well. Aside from what anyone thought of his confirmation, pedigree, and performance -- I am not so sure that he was given every opportunity as stallion from the get-go either. That could have laid the groundwork and dictated the future so to speak.

Eric

PS -- got it. I read the previous posts again.

[VOL JACK]

I watched a good portion of the sale today. One would think with all of Keenelands' money they could afford some guys that know the difference between half, three-quarter, and full siblings.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ELA

I believe he was was every inexpensive as well. Aside from what anyone thought of his confirmation, pedigree, and performance -- I am not so sure that he was given every opportunity as stallion from the get-go either. That could have laid the groundwork and dictated the future so to speak.

Eric

PS -- got it. I read the previous posts again.

$22k as a yearling... interesting story was the owner bought him because he wanted a grey horse that he could differentiate from the chestnuts/bays on track.

I think Tiznow has acheived what Skip Away could have as a sire, going from unproven rookie to superstar the way you laid out.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

With different types of horses there are different things that I can and cant live with. For example with really heavy horse you need a bit more correct front legs and never back at the knee. With a lanky, lighter horse, often fillies, there is a lot more I can live with if they are athletic enough. certainly I dont mind longer pasterns in horses with turf pedigrees but dont want muc pastern in sprinters or strictly dirt horses. The way a horse moves behind is probably more important in ability. I have had some horses that were awful movers in the front legs but made up for it with superior power behind. All that and one i can afford

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

You are pretty hardcore

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

While there is definately luck involved if you don't know anything about conformation there are yearlings that will never make the track so imagine spending your lifes money on a yearling that dosnt even make it to a two year old ,Thats why you need to know with conformation what you can get away with & what you can't

You sound like a Odds Man wouldnt you want the Odds more in your favour,?Dosn't mean you win just gives you a better Chance

[Merlinsky]

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46988.htm

Big Brown's half-sister by Touch Gold didn't sell. Again I don't claim to be a conformation expert but I wouldn't argue with their idea that she's not gonna be ready for much as a 2yo. I'd be afraid of her legs giving out--is that me just not being able to appreciate the lines of a filly or are her forelegs just not impressive in terms of bone?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46988.htm

Big Brown's half-sister by Touch Gold didn't sell. Again I don't claim to be a conformation expert but I wouldn't argue with their idea that she's not gonna be ready for much as a 2yo. I'd be afraid of her legs giving out--is that me just not being able to appreciate the lines of a filly or are her forelegs just not impressive in terms of bone?

pictures are pretty worthless in terms of evaluating conformation because of the angles. If anything she was weak in her hind end. I suppose that I would be a bit concerned if I was IEAH that BB's sister couldnt even draw much live money. Name another stallion who will be in his stud fee range whose sister wouldnt bring $500k regardless of what they looked like. I know Touch Gold isnt exactly a top sire but she wasnt that bad of a horse. Of course without BB in the pedigree she would be selling next weekend.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

is it happy hour?