Goodbye Duante

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How would one explain that season if Culpepper was "never any good" and owed his success entirely to Moss?

You don't know what you're talking about.

Moss caught 13 Touchdowns in 13 games that Regular Season - and had a 2 Touchdown and a 100+ yard game in a road playoff win at GB in the wild card.

Culpepper put up huge numbers that year with repetitive rinky-dink passes to wideopen recievers and tight-ends underneath while the Vikings trailed big and needed quick scores to get back in the game. He would slowly take them 70 yards with the clock bleeding and than come away with nothing when the D tightened up by the endzone.

You know who the leading reciever was on the team that year? It was Jermaine Wiggins - a 275lbs tight end who is now out of the leauge. He caught 75 passes and was virtually uncovered all year long.

I happen to watch all of there games that year - so save me your stats.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You don't know what you're talking about.

Moss caught 13 Touchdowns in 13 games that Regular Season - and had a 2 Touchdown and a 100+ yard game in a road playoff win at GB in the wild card.

Culpepper put up huge numbers that year with repetitive rinky-dink passes to wideopen recievers and tight-ends underneath while the Vikings trailed big and needed quick scores to get back in the game. He would slowly take them 70 yards with the clock bleeding and than come away with nothing when the D tightened up by the endzone.

You know who the leading reciever was on the team that year? It was Jermaine Wiggins - a 275lbs tight end who is now out of the leauge. He caught 75 passes and was virtually uncovered all year long.

I happen to watch all of there games that year - so save me your stats.

Moss caught 13 tds in 13 games but only had 757 yards with less than 50 catches...his worst season in minny which paved the road for them getting rid of him in the offseason.

Rinky dink passes? Intesting. Culpepper had the HIGHEST YARDS PER ATTEMPT in his career in that year with 8.6 per attempt and he finished with a rating of 110.

You say "came away with nothing" and the guy throws for 39 tds (26 werent to moss) and ran for 2 more.

And everyone remembers the Green bay game...it was the one where Moss "mooned" the crowd. Hilarious.

And i may not know what i am talking about but i guess neither do the fans, coaches and players that named him all pro...twice.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You didn't watch any of the games. All the coverage rolled to Moss and others guys were wide open. Some of Culpepper's biggest games came in losing efforts. In the 3 games Moss didn't play - they lost the first two - and needed two late touchdowns to beat the hapless Lions 22-19 in the other.

A decrepid Randell Cunningham, who had been out of the leauge for a few years prior, won the entire leauge MVP. An over-the-hill Jeff George was voted to the Pro Bowl and put up huge numbers in his lone 3/4 of a season with the Vikes as a starter.

Todd Bowman and Gus Ferrote - who both started two or three games apeice for the Vikes both won NFC Offensive player of the week awards as Vikes QBs with Moss.

Moss isn't an underneath or over the middle guy - he's a vertical guy who opens the field and creates mis matches all over. He doesn't need to have a single pass thrown his way to have a huge impact on the game.

Culpepper ran him out of Minny after 2004 - and now it's nice to see the agent/qb/imbecile out of the leauge.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You didn't watch any of the games. All the coverage rolled to Moss and others guys were wide open. Some of Culpepper's biggest games came in losing efforts. In the 3 games Moss didn't play - they lost the first two - and needed two late touchdowns to beat the hapless Lions 22-19 in the other.

A decrepid Randell Cunningham, who had been out of the leauge for a few years prior, won the entire leauge MVP. An over-the-hill Jeff George was voted to the Pro Bowl and put up huge numbers in his one 3/4 of a season with the Vikes.

Todd Bowman and Gus Ferrote - who both started two or three games apeice for the Vikes won NFC Offensive player of the week awards as Vikes QBs with Moss.

Moss isn't an underneath or over the middle guy - he's a vertical guy who opens the field and creates mis matches all over. He doesn't need to have a single pass thrown his way to have a huge impact on the game.

Culpepper ran him out of Minny after 2004 - and now it's nice to see the agent/qb/imbecile out of the leauge.

The Vikings ranked fourth in total offense in 2004 while defense ranked 26th. Again, lets not let FACTS get in the way of an offbased position.

I know what kind of player Moss is. I know he doesnt need to catch passes to have impact. We are all aware of the credentials. At the same time, Culpepper had a few GREAT YEARS. Regardless of how great Moss is, Daunte still had to deliver. In 2004 he did. And the leading receiver yards wise was Nate Burleson.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The Vikings ranked fourth in total offense in 2004 while defense ranked 26th. Again, lets not let FACTS get in the way of an offbased position.

Yes - he managed to hit wide open guys underneath all year long in route to an 8-8 season. You should quit while you're behind.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

At the same time, Culpepper had a few GREAT YEARS. Regardless of how great Moss is, Daunte still had to deliver. In 2004 he did. And the leading receiver yards wise was Nate Burleson.

It was probably this kind of thinking that led to Culpepper destroying all of the fantasy football teams who drafted him in 2005 when he couldn't get out of his own way.

Nate Burleson? He was the Wes Welker of that offense! Feasting on linebackers and safteys in one on one coverage. How has Nate been doing lately?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - he managed to hit wide open guys underneath all year long in route to an 8-8 season. You should quit while you're behind.

Tell me the indomitable DrugS doesnt need this style of theatrics when called out for a bad, indefensible position. Say it aint so. "you should quit while you are behind"? LOL. You are better than this drugS.



It was probably this kind of thinking that led to Culpepper destroying all of the fantasy football teams who drafted him in 2005 when he couldn't get out of his own way.

Nate Burleson? He was the Wes Welker of that offense! Feasting on linebackers and safteys in one on one coverage. How has Nate been doing lately?

Nate Burleson had 9 tds last season. I think that lead his team...a playoff team.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nate Burleson had 9 tds last season. I think that lead his team...a playoff team.

Spin away.

Since you are such a stats queen. Here you go with Nate's carrer stats:

year -- team -- games --catches -- yards -- TD's
2003 ---MIN------16------ 29 -------455 ----2
2004 ---MIN------16 ------68 ------1,006--- 9
2005 -- MIN ----- 12------ 30 -------328--- 1
2006 -- SEA------ 16 ----- 18 -------192---- 2
2007--- SEA----- 16------ 50 --------694 ---9

So much for that angle.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You didn't watch any of the games. All the coverage rolled to Moss and others guys were wide open. Some of Culpepper's biggest games came in losing efforts. In the 3 games Moss didn't play - they lost the first two - and needed two late touchdowns to beat the hapless Lions 22-19 in the other.

A decrepid Randell Cunningham, who had been out of the leauge for a few years prior, won the entire leauge MVP. An over-the-hill Jeff George was voted to the Pro Bowl and put up huge numbers in his lone 3/4 of a season with the Vikes as a starter.

Todd Bowman and Gus Ferrote - who both started two or three games apeice for the Vikes both won NFC Offensive player of the week awards as Vikes QBs with Moss.

Moss isn't an underneath or over the middle guy - he's a vertical guy who opens the field and creates mis matches all over. He doesn't need to have a single pass thrown his way to have a huge impact on the game.

Culpepper ran him out of Minny after 2004 - and now it's nice to see the agent/qb/imbecile out of the leauge.

If your position is that Moss was more respsonible for Daunte's success than vise versa, i agree. If it is that Moss was the catalyst for Minny from the time he was there until he left, then i also agree with that. He is in my mind the most talented receiver ever to step foot on a field.

But to say that Daunte was never any good? That to me is just a bad opinion that ignores obvious facts. Bad QB's dont have seasons like 2004 especially without their top WR producing. Its that simple.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.

Well, regardless, i can tell you are a huge Randy Moss fan as am I. I met Daunte once while i was vacationing with the family in Atlantis. Back then (2002) he was a humble gentleman that took the time to chat it up and didnt fail to tip the staff (as you know, a rarity with a lot of athletes). I was impressed.

Who knows the whole story about what followed. And who knows what he has turned into.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's good at exploiting obvious mismatches. That's about it.

That's the job of a QB!!!! No one is putting down Moss, or saying Culpepper is some all time superstar but he was a very good QB for a stretch before his knee injury. Yes, he struggled to adapt in the short stretch between Moss and the injury but there was also a five game stretch in the middle of the 2004 season where Moss was injured and didn't have a catch and he put up QB ratings of 103.2, 62.1, 121.3, 117.9, and 97.5. Even if you add those 7 games the following season to those five games he comes up with a solid 83.7 QB rating while working with a receiving crew that you would be generous to call below average.

[pmayjr]

As a Vikes fan, over the years the guy would make us pull our hair out... He had some incredible seasons, but he also from game by game could look really inept and then brilliant the next.

I think a lot of Vikes fans as the years wore on got tired of the inconsistency. The year that Ferrotte subbed for Duante when he got hurt for a few games, he was really effective, and the fans wanted Ferrotte in there permanently. Yes, Gus Ferrotte, the career-journeyman who injured his neck intentionally ramming his head into a wall after a TD lol.

I've heard that his knee is finally healthy, so if the right situation comes along, or he swallows his pride, he'll play again. Let's hope that he manages his money a little better than Spreewell, so he doesn't have to come back because he's broke lol. I give his chances of coming back 50-50.