2008 NFL predictions thread

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

the pats defense is another year older and slower. their DB's showed their age at the end of the season and especially in the super bowl. the pats will have trouble in close games because of the defense. IF brady goes down pats don't make the playoffs.

Of course.

Like I said, the teams are all so close together, one injury changes everything.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

and so begins the Zorn era in our nation's capital.....

same old Skins.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

and so begins the Zorn era in our nation's capital.....

same old Skins.

3rd and 5? throw it 3...why take a chance?

2nd and 25? Run it up the gut.

Deja vu.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

and so begins the Zorn era in our nation's capital.....

same old Skins.

1) No Hurry Up of any kind for almost the entire 4th quarter down 2 scores

2) The beginning of the end for Jason from Auburn.....still not an NFL QB.

This is not the same ole skins.....it's worse offensively. Zorn will split a few heads like he did with Jansen. If Zorn goes down he won't be loading the gun with the same bullets

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by docicu3

1) No Hurry Up of any kind for almost the entire 4th quarter down 2 scores

2) The beginning of the end for Jason from Auburn.....still not an NFL QB.

This is not the same ole skins.....it's worse offensively. Zorn will split a few heads like he did with Jansen. If Zorn goes down he won't be loading the gun with the same bullets

not taking up for a barner but this is a Bad system fit for campbell. the best QB for the skins system right now is probably brennen. he ran the run-n-shoot at Hawaii, that's what the west coast offense really is.
the nfl is all about being in the right system, on the right team, at the right time.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

not taking up for a barner but this is a Bad system fit for campbell. the best QB for the skins system right now is probably brennen. he ran the run-n-shoot at Hawaii, that's what the west coast offense really is.
the nfl is all about being in the right system, on the right team, at the right time.

The west coast offense and the run and shoot are two completely different offenses with the only real common thread being that they are both based on passing.

First of all, a run and shoot doesnt utilize a tight end or a traditional full back. it uses two slots, two wides and a single back.

The west coast, which has a million variations these days, in its original form lined up just like a regular pro set w/ one tight end or a three wide.

Most importantly, the run and shoot is based on option routes by the receiver based on coverage basically making each route "hot". West Coast are traditional scripted routes.


I do agree that Campbell isnt a west coast QB. I dont know about Brennan either but Cambell is not the answer...nor is that coach.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

not taking up for a barner but this is a Bad system fit for campbell. the best QB for the skins system right now is probably brennen. he ran the run-n-shoot at Hawaii, that's what the west coast offense really is.
the nfl is all about being in the right system, on the right team, at the right time.

I have to be honest...Campbell is not that good.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I have to be honest...Campbell is not that good.

I had the Skins at 8-8 this year and it felt like a reach... now it feels like even more of a reach. Their defense will win some games, once they got their act together last night they played well but that offensive playcalling was beyond terrible. I felt like I was watching a replay of the '04 SB when the Eagles had 5 minutes left down two scores and were not going no huddle.

I don't think any QB can succeed in that type of watered down, boring version of the WC offense, especially a type like Campbell who could be much better using his legs and arm strength. He might be OK in the right system but he's doomed in Washington.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by docicu3

1) No Hurry Up of any kind for almost the entire 4th quarter down 2 scores

2) The beginning of the end for Jason from Auburn.....still not an NFL QB.

This is not the same ole skins.....it's worse offensively. Zorn will split a few heads like he did with Jansen. If Zorn goes down he won't be loading the gun with the same bullets

WOW, they really let the ball go down field last night. That west coast offense was pinpoint. I especially enjoyed the 8 yard routes when they needed 10 for a 1st down. Also the guard trap on your own 15 yard line down 2 scores with under 6 minutes left. Zero no huddle offensive plays, and even to spike the ball it took campbell 15 seconds.

call me a hater whatever, Zorn is gonna have a rough year if this is his idea of spreading out the offense. You draft a TE in the 2nd round and you throw 1 ball to Cooley all game.

I'm a die hard skins fan, but Campbell is not gonna cut it in this system or this team. It was a stretch for the skins to pick him up when they did, i didn't think he was a 1st round qb ala patrick ramsey. But in the end, its a good thing we only gave up 2 first rounders (1 in the same year and one in the following year to denver) to get this guy.

Colt Brennan will be making an appearence this year

-bt-

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by -BT-

I'm a die hard skins fan, but Campbell is not gonna cut it in this system or this team. It was a stretch for the skins to pick him up when they did, i didn't think he was a 1st round qb ala patrick ramsey. But in the end, its a good thing we only gave up 2 first rounders (1 in the same year and one in the following year to denver) to get this guy.

Colt Brennan will be making an appearence this year

No one is going to look good running a west coast offense with the mighty midgets at WR and a coach that won't allow you to change the plays at the line. It just isn't going to work. They banked on the big guys they drafted being able to come in and help immediately instead of signing a Bryant Johnson type and it backfired.

I'd think the bigger concern for the Skins would be how easily Jacobs ran down their throat.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No one is going to look good running a west coast offense with the mighty midgets at WR and a coach that won't allow you to change the plays at the line. It just isn't going to work. They banked on the big guys they drafted being able to come in and help immediately instead of signing a Bryant Johnson type and it backfired.

I'd think the bigger concern for the Skins would be how easily Jacobs ran down their throat.

Or how an injured Plaxico catches ten balls for 120+. I thought they did a good job on the pass as a whole and got significant pressure on Eli. All things considered, a B for the defense.

As always , constant flux in personnel and staff leads to mismatches between player and scheme.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Or how an injured Plaxico catches ten balls for 120+. I thought they did a good job on the pass as a whole and got significant pressure on Eli. All things considered, a B for the defense.

As always , constant flux in personnel and staff leads to mismatches between player and scheme.

Is there such thing as an uninjured Plaxico? He looked about as healthy as he's ever looked last night although he did alligator arm the one time.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No one is going to look good running a west coast offense with the mighty midgets at WR and a coach that won't allow you to change the plays at the line. It just isn't going to work. They banked on the big guys they drafted being able to come in and help immediately instead of signing a Bryant Johnson type and it backfired.

I'd think the bigger concern for the Skins would be how easily Jacobs ran down their throat.

well jacobs is a down hill runner, so he doesn't do that just to the skins. I thought the defense played well, though they couldn't get off the field for 3rd downs. Offense didn't help them out at all, theywere 3 and out a bunch of times. DB's looked like sh!t, 3 int's dropped one in the endzone.

As far as Bryant Johnson, that guy wasn't gonna be the difference in a good or bad west coast offense. I don't care if you have 6'6 guy or 5'4 guy, when the qb doesn't take shots down the field and refuses to pass the ball pass the sticks, and has zero pocket presence, Art Monk couldn't even help this kid out.


-bt-

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by -BT-

well jacobs is a down hill runner, so he doesn't do that just to the skins. I thought the defense played well, though they couldn't get off the field for 3rd downs. Offense didn't help them out at all, theywere 3 and out a bunch of times. DB's looked like sh!t, 3 int's dropped one in the endzone.

As far as Bryant Johnson, that guy wasn't gonna be the difference in a good or bad west coast offense. I don't care if you have 6'6 guy or 5'4 guy, when the qb doesn't take shots down the field and refuses to pass the ball pass the sticks, and has zero pocket presence, Art Monk couldn't even help this kid out.
-bt-

Jacobs is a good runner but it was the number of times he got in the open field that was scary. When they take on a speedier back and let him get in the open field they could let up some long runs.

Actually, it is when you are throwing short passes and not taking shots down the field that the size of the receiver matters the most. Look at Plaxico last night, several of his catches were on slants where the corner was draped all over him but still couldn't get around his size to break the pass up. Bryant Johnson wouldn't have put up more than 600 yards for them but his presence in the short passing game would have helped open things up for Moss and Randle El (who should never be playing anywhere but in the slot).

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by docicu3

1) No Hurry Up of any kind for almost the entire 4th quarter down 2 scores

2) The beginning of the end for Jason from Auburn.....still not an NFL QB.

This is not the same ole skins.....it's worse offensively. Zorn will split a few heads like he did with Jansen. If Zorn goes down he won't be loading the gun with the same bullets

Although I have been completely wrong about this team this year. When I see Peter King ranking the 'skins as #4 in the NFL this morning it is clear that we are just a little too excited about Jason quite yet.....Come back in December and history says they will come back to earth. I would love to see this be for real as the "glow" of living here when the skins are successful is like living at Del Mar and every day is the first day of the meet......