Churchill deal steals 2010 BC from Belmont

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

The Breeder's Cup sucks!

If some think it will be better to get two straight years on "poly" & thumb thier nose to NYRA, well...............

I'll sure miss his f-ball picks (or plays) here.

I could care less about the BC with its back-to-back all-weather races for '08 & '09.

NYRA should bill its 9/27 date as the "real dirt" championships with the JCGC (Classic), Beldame (Distaff.. oops, I mean Ladies Classic ) , and Vosburgh (Sprint) as the real championship races. Heck, with the Flower Bowl (F & M Turf) and Joe Hirsch (Turf Classic), it's basically the same thing (without the turf mile and Juvy races) as the 'old' BC Day.
Either way, it's the best remaining day on the calender for dirt racing in '08.

At least they didn't decide to stay in California for a 3rd straight year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I could care less about the BC with its back-to-back all-weather races for '08 & '09.

NYRA should bill its 9/27 date as the "real dirt" championships with the JCGC (Classic), Beldame (Distaff.. oops, I mean Ladies Classic ) , and Vosburgh (Sprint) as the real championship races. Heck, with the Flower Bowl (F & M Turf) and Joe Hirsch (Turf Classic), it's basically the same thing (without the turf mile and Juvy races) as the 'old' BC Day.
Either way, it's the best remaining day on the calender for dirt racing in '08.

At least they didn't decide to stay in California for a 3rd straight year.

they should have left 10 alone, and given next year to churchill. there's no compelling arguement for having it at santa anita two years running.

[Quiet Chris]

The Breeders Cup at Churchill is much better than the BC at Belmont. Churchill fills up and has a great atmosphere. Belmont could easily be 40 degrees and freezing with the winds. Throw in a home Giants or Jets game on the Sunday and the Yankees or Mets in the World Series and the BC doesn't even get any coverage.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

The Breeders Cup at Churchill is much better than the BC at Belmont. Churchill fills up and has a great atmosphere. Belmont could easily be 40 degrees and freezing with the winds. Throw in a home Giants or Jets game on the Sunday and the Yankees or Mets in the World Series and the BC doesn't even get any coverage.

Um, were you there for the 2006 Breeders Cup? Coldest day ever.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Um, were you there for the 2006 Breeders Cup? Coldest day ever.

I was there and it was like 50 degrees. Invasor won too.

I have been to the Breeders Cup at Belmont in 1995 and it was the most pathetic day ever. There was nobody there and it was terrible weather.

[ELA]

Sure, NYRA got screwed. We can argue all day about recourse, ramifications, and what should and shouldn't be done. In the end, it's just more cannibalization.

The BC is looking out for the BC and is not working with the industry. What else is new.

Eric

[slotdirt]

All I know is the 2006 Breeders Cup at Churchill was the worst run horse racing event I've ever attended in terms of organization, teller lines, and concessions. And it was butt cold that entire week in Kentucky.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I was there and it was like 50 degrees. Invasor won too.

I have been to the Breeders Cup at Belmont in 1995 and it was the most pathetic day ever. There was nobody there and it was terrible weather.

Talk about ANCIENT HISTORY who cares now?
I've been to two BC at Belmont since then and they were A-OK.

I see you fail to mention the last BC at SA...100degree heat, fires everywhere, ashes covering LA. I'm sure the horses just loved runnung in that polluted air...

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So you went once, in a rainstorm and based a decision on that?

Isnt that problematic though, if you are trying to attract fans to your "super bowl" and that is their first exposure its a tough sell for the sport?

[parsixfarms]

Actually, the weather the day of the 1995 Breeders Cup wasn't bad at all. The temperatures was in the 60s; however, there were torrential rains the day and night before, leaving the track a sea of slop and the turf courses a bog.

The Breeders Cup at Churchill in 1991 was one of the coldest days that I have ever been to the track - and that includes trips to Aqueduct in the winter. And the site lines at Churchill for the typical fan are downright horrible.

IMO, the "best" Breeders Cup site, for fans and horsemen, had been Gulfstream Park, but unfortunately Magna's changes to that facility prevent it from hosting the event any more.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's sort of unavoidable though isn't it? How can you foresee rain years in advance? Most meteorologists can't even predict rain a few hours ahead of schedule. Unless you are saying have the BC where there is never a chance of rain. I'm not sure such a place exists.

????Dubai????

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's sort of unavoidable though isn't it? How can you foresee rain years in advance? Most meteorologists can't even predict rain a few hours ahead of schedule. Unless you are saying have the BC where there is never a chance of rain. I'm not sure such a place exists.

I've been saying for years that they should move the BC to a dome.
Would racing indoors be kind of stupid, pointless, and essentially a bunch of crap? Yup.
That's what would make it perfect for the Breeders' Cup.
If I can somehow convince those in power that horses would be somehow safer racing indoors, I predict the Metrodome will be the proud home of the 2011 BC.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's sort of unavoidable though isn't it? How can you foresee rain years in advance? Most meteorologists can't even predict rain a few hours ahead of schedule. Unless you are saying have the BC where there is never a chance of rain. I'm not sure such a place exists.

Well they dont blow bowl games in Michigan do they? Its not fair but maybe a warm weather place should be mandatory to help the sport. What are the chances november in new york is not freezing cold and or raining?

[rkinnin]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Um, were you there for the 2006 Breeders Cup? Coldest day ever.

Cold??

How about the all the rain in Monmouth last year?? They could have stolen delmar's slogan - where the surf meets the turf - that day!

What next??? ....an indoor arena where the entire environment is controlled?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

The Breeders Cup at Churchill is much better than the BC at Belmont. Churchill fills up and has a great atmosphere. Belmont could easily be 40 degrees and freezing with the winds. Throw in a home Giants or Jets game on the Sunday and the Yankees or Mets in the World Series and the BC doesn't even get any coverage.

I'm against the B.C. being held at Churchill. They simply are unable to avoid having a biased track. Belmont is a more fair track. Street Sense looked like he jumped on a motorbike and took a ride. He never did that before, or after. Yea, he won the Derby on the track, but was giving up ground at the end. Did he ever win by 10 lengths again? The Calbred WHO ROMPED in the sprint was all out to win his next race, and hasn't done anything since. They get way too much weather there. They can't get the track fair after that.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm against the B.C. being held at Churchill. They simply are unable to avoid having a biased track. Belmont is a more fair track. Street Sense looked like he jumped on a motorbike and took a ride. He never did that before, or after. Yea, he won the Derby on the track, but was giving up ground at the end. Did he ever win by 10 lengths again? The Calbred WHO ROMPED in the sprint was all out to win his next race, and hasn't done anything since. They get way too much weather there. They can't get the track fair after that.

It's still better than possibly 95 degrees and ashes falling on you like in '04. IMO

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

The Breeders Cup at Churchill is much better than the BC at Belmont. Churchill fills up and has a great atmosphere. Belmont could easily be 40 degrees and freezing with the winds. Throw in a home Giants or Jets game on the Sunday and the Yankees or Mets in the World Series and the BC doesn't even get any coverage.

1988 at Churchill has them all beat...Rain, cold, Classic run in darkness. If it wasn't for Personal Ensign day would have totally sucked.

[Holland Hacker]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I could care less about the BC with its back-to-back all-weather races for '08 & '09.

NYRA should bill its 9/27 date as the "real dirt" championships with the JCGC (Classic), Beldame (Distaff.. oops, I mean Ladies Classic ) , and Vosburgh (Sprint) as the real championship races. Heck, with the Flower Bowl (F & M Turf) and Joe Hirsch (Turf Classic), it's basically the same thing (without the turf mile and Juvy races) as the 'old' BC Day.
Either way, it's the best remaining day on the calender for dirt racing in '08.

At least they didn't decide to stay in California for a 3rd straight year.

Move the Champagne and the Frizette from the following week to cover the Juvy races and contemplate moving the NYRA mile from Aqueduct's Holiday fest and you've got all of the bases covered.

[SentToStud]

LMAO.

Chrurchill steals deal from NYRA.

What exactly do you expect and how can you be surprised?

Evans, Hamilton, Santulli, Phipps. All on non-profit NYRA's bloated board. Funny, they are also on the boards or are trustees of for-profit entities Churchill and Breeders Cup, Ltd..

Maybe if NYRA had another couple dozen board members, this might not have happened.

[AeWingnut]

just how many tracks meet the requirements to host a BC?

3?