Tues. 08/05 ATR what a depressing show

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is Curlin running in the Japan Cup Dirt an exciting development? No. .

I would consider that a pretty big deal. exciting? it would be to me.
has a Breeders Cup Classic, Dubai World Cup, Japan Cup sweep ever happened before, or even been attempted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I would consider that a pretty big deal. exciting? it would be to me.
has a Breeders Cup Classic, Dubai World Cup, Japan Cup sweep ever happened before, or even been attempted.

Japan Cup DIRT, not the Japan Cup. It is the secondary race

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Japan Cup DIRT, not the Japan Cup. It is the secondary race

yeah so? i assumed you were referring to the dirt race. i still don't get your point. Japan Cup exciting, Japan dirt cup not exciting? or nothing about Curlin racing in Japan would be exciting?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yeah so? i assumed you were referring to the dirt race. i still don't get your point. Japan Cup exciting, Japan dirt cup not exciting? or nothing about Curlin racing in Japan would be exciting?

Japan Cup Dirt is like the 3rd place game in the NIT. Shipping to another country is nice but skipping the Breeders Cup to run in a race that no one really cares about outside of Japan (quick name 1 winner?) is kind of redundant to me. Not to mention he very well lose because the track there is like a plowed field. I would much rather see him on poly in the Classic which would do a whole lot more for racing and his legacy than going to Japan to run in the middle of the night against a bunch of horses that no one even knows exists. At least the Japan Cup attracts top foreign competition.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Japan Cup Dirt is like the 3rd place game in the NIT. Shipping to another country is nice but skipping the Breeders Cup to run in a race that no one really cares about outside of Japan (quick name 1 winner?) is kind of redundant to me. Not to mention he very well lose because the track there is like a plowed field. I would much rather see him on poly in the Classic which would do a whole lot more for racing and his legacy than going to Japan to run in the middle of the night against a bunch of horses that no one even knows exists. At least the Japan Cup attracts top foreign competition.

Fleet Street Dancer...that was easy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Fleet Street Dancer...that was easy.

Big shoes to follow

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Japan Cup Dirt is like the 3rd place game in the NIT. Shipping to another country is nice but skipping the Breeders Cup to run in a race that no one really cares about outside of Japan (quick name 1 winner?) is kind of redundant to me. Not to mention he very well lose because the track there is like a plowed field. I would much rather see him on poly in the Classic which would do a whole lot more for racing and his legacy than going to Japan to run in the middle of the night against a bunch of horses that no one even knows exists. At least the Japan Cup attracts top foreign competition.

The Japan Cup is a much bigger race, but lets face it he doesn't fit well with the top turf horses, Japan Cup or the Arc. To me the Japan dirt cup would still be a challenge despite its lesser status, because of the surface and travel issues.

My preference would be for him to repeat in the classic, but I think the guy wanted to avoid the Classic at all costs in order to make a statement and not have Curlin be the horse that legitimizes artificial surfaces at the top level.

FYI, Vermillion won it last year, I watched the race because Student Council ran in it and finished well back.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

...but I think the guy wanted to avoid the Classic at all costs in order to make a statement and not have Curlin be the horse that legitimizes artificial surfaces at the top level.

If that is true, I have a new hero.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

If that is true, I have a new hero.

i don't know if its true of course. just speculation based on what he has said and done.

think about it, if you are not a proponent of AWT and you have the number one horse in the world, you're going to try to keep him off it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

The Japan Cup is a much bigger race, but lets face it he doesn't fit well with the top turf horses, Japan Cup or the Arc. To me the Japan dirt cup would still be a challenge despite its lesser status, because of the surface and travel issues.

My preference would be for him to repeat in the classic, but I think the guy wanted to avoid the Classic at all costs in order to make a statement and not have Curlin be the horse that legitimizes artificial surfaces at the top level.

Personally I find their entire campaign strange. They had the Arc as the goal and had no backup options as seemingly they believed him to be invincible. I believe that Assmussen is more afraid of the surface than Jackson. By not running the statement they make will soon be forgotten simply because virtually no one will see his final race in Japan and the news coverage will be close to nil here. This is not exactly a tour de force or ending his career with a bang if he inded is going to stud after this year. I am not opposed to the Japan Cup Dirt in any manner except if I have the "best" horse in the world who is supposedly soley running for his legacy, that race is way down the list of important races.